Hate the artist love the art

relfyoftheboro said:
Mark Morris. Difference being is I really struggle to listen to The Bluetones now. It's hard to separate the music from the man
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Oh, what's he done?

The only one I can't make my peace with is Jacko. Die hard fan as a kid and tbh basically until Leaving Neverland. Now I can't listen to him without thinking about the children he (almost definitely, in my view) abused.
 
bumface said:
Often wondered about that. You can't just pretend that you don't like a song anymore just because the bloke who wrote it turned out to be a wrong 'un. Polanski is a dreadful human being, but I can't pretend that I don't love Rosemary's Baby or The Tenant.
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With MJ tho, when the song makes you think about something else, I think you can stop liking it.

Like Man in the Mirror, used to love it, loved the delivery as though he really believed it all (though of course he didn't write it and I wish Siedah Garrett had given it to someone else) but now when I hear it I just think 'pipe down you fcking paedo, who are you to say anything'.

Also I think the reason I will still tolerate, and even defend Morrissey to a point. A daft/ignorant middle aged bloke, maybe even a racist, but not a paedo or a rapist. Similar with Clapton, drunken/misguided /ignorant words are not as bad as actual actions/traumatic crimes towards individuals. In my opinion. That said I certainly don't think I'd hold Clapton up as some kind of role model, but he is one of my favourite ever guitarists (after Mark Knopfler who thankfully hasn't been cancelled for anything yet that I know of).
 
atypical_boro said:
With MJ tho, when the song makes you think about something else, I think you can stop liking it.

Like Man in the Mirror, used to love it, loved the delivery as though he really believed it all (though of course he didn't write it and I wish Siedah Garrett had given it to someone else) but now when I hear it I just think 'pipe down you fcking paedo, who are you to say anything'.

Also I think the reason I will still tolerate, and even defend Morrissey to a point. A daft/ignorant middle aged bloke, maybe even a racist, but not a paedo or a rapist.
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That's fair enough. I was never a MJ fan and thankfully I was never a Lostprophets or Gary Glitter fan either. Polanski was always the one that troubled me a bit, but I'd be lying to myself if I said that I didn't still love his films. I've met loads of artists who turned out to be @rseholes. Doesn't stop me from liking their work.
 
i'm in the camp that historically all the great artists are off kilter - thats why compared to the rest they see, paint, write and say things differently.

its the 'spectrum' of life - creative people are so far away from mere mortals whose idea of being creative is a double weekends overtime, or using red or brown sauce on an egg banjo.
 
bumface said:
That's fair enough. I was never a MJ fan and thankfully I was never a Lostprophets or Gary Glitter fan either. Polanski was always the one that troubled me a bit, but I'd be lying to myself if I said that I didn't still love his films. I've met loads of artists who turned out to be @rseholes. Doesn't stop me from liking their work.
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I think with films its different, I know music is created by a number of people but it still feels like it belongs to the main artist.

With films, yeah there's a director/producer/writer but there's a whole load of other people (actors and editors etc) who make it their own too. I don't think films belong to one entity. So I can totally understand why you don't suddenly hate all the Polanski films.

The Lostprophets stuff is another level. I'm SO glad I was never into them. I know he was just a member of a band but even hearing his voice would surely make one's skin crawl. Utterly vile human being. A billion times worse than Morrissey and probably all others.
 
atypical_boro said:
I think with films its different, I know music is created by a number of people but it still feels like it belongs to the main artist.

With films, yeah there's a director/producer/writer but there's a whole load of other people (actors and editors etc) who make it their own too. I don't think films belong to one entity. So I can totally understand why you don't suddenly hate all the Polanski films.

The Lostprophets stuff is another level. I'm SO glad I was never into them. I know he was just a member of a band but even hearing his voice would surely make one's skin crawl. Utterly vile human being. A billion times worse than Morrissey and probably all others.
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You have to feel a bit sorry for the rest of the band. Presumably, they didn't know what he was up to and now all of their work is tarnished because of him.
 
relfyoftheboro said:
Mark Morris. Difference being is I really struggle to listen to The Bluetones now. It's hard to separate the music from the man
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Just looked this up. I appreciate this claim has been made but nothing in stone is there? Thankfully I was never a big enough fan to be too troubled by this one.

I am a bit by the Kasabian stuff.
 
bumface said:
You have to feel a bit sorry for the rest of the band. Presumably, they didn't know what he was up to and now all of their work is tarnished because of him.
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Yes, I mean obviously the actual victims are the real tragedy, and you can only hope the damage he's done is somehow manageable for them. But I've always had a degree of empathy for his band and even just his big fans.
 
relfyoftheboro said:
Mark Morris. Difference being is I really struggle to listen to The Bluetones now. It's hard to separate the music from the man
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Have you seen this?

Statement - Mark Morriss | Official Site & Store

I would like to address the allegations made by my ex-wife Anna in her recent blog “If I’m Lying, Come Sue Me.” (Nov 16 2021) Anna and I have a young daughter and for her sake, and that of my son, I have taken time in considering how to respond. I needed to prioritise my […]
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Lefty said:
Have you seen this?

Statement - Mark Morriss | Official Site & Store

I would like to address the allegations made by my ex-wife Anna in her recent blog “If I’m Lying, Come Sue Me.” (Nov 16 2021) Anna and I have a young daughter and for her sake, and that of my son, I have taken time in considering how to respond. I needed to prioritise my […]
markmorrissmusic.co.uk markmorrissmusic.co.uk
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Two sides to every story.
 
Lefty said:
Have you seen this?

Statement - Mark Morriss | Official Site & Store

I would like to address the allegations made by my ex-wife Anna in her recent blog “If I’m Lying, Come Sue Me.” (Nov 16 2021) Anna and I have a young daughter and for her sake, and that of my son, I have taken time in considering how to respond. I needed to prioritise my […]
markmorrissmusic.co.uk markmorrissmusic.co.uk
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I did and as much as there are two sides to every story, for me, it didn't excuse some of the abhorrent behaviour that was described and subsequently confirmed by Morris himself. There's no doubt that their relationship was toxic at times, and I appreciate his past didn't provide him with the appropriate tools to deal with that, but I don't believe that the apparent provocation is sufficient to condone his response.

I suppose my point is, when I hear their music now I can't help but think he's a "see you next Tuesday" and it detracts from my ability to enjoy them.
 
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