How have people / people values changed over the decades?

[newyddion]

It’s a different world now, you need a fair amount of tech just go do basic things now which wouldn’t be an issue 40 years ago. Cars, phones, laptops etc are all difficult to do without

Surely there will be a kick back or a reaction to some of that. I get that cars were seen as a bit of a fad vs horses.. phones with wires seem to be consigned to the history books.

Social media.. MySpace went, Facebook is unpopular with the younger generation, twitter is going in the bin. I know the consumer creates the demand to some extent.. but when the cost or trouble put weighs the usefulness or fashion..

Cars are going driverless.. surely they will go the way of subscription. Phones/Laptops with become one device.. everything goes in ‘the cloud’?

I’d be very interested in seeing a shift snd a break in our current path.

 

[SuperStu]

Have to laugh at the idea parents were better in the 60s/70s/80s than they are now. My partner and I have a 1 year old and some of the suggestions on how to parent that come from the grandparents are absolutely bonkers.

 

[WindyNook]

Have to laugh at the idea parents were better in the 60s/70s/80s than they are now. My partner and I have a 1 year old and some of the suggestions on how to parent that come from the grandparents are absolutely bonkers.

And yet you're still alive

 

[SuperStu]

And yet you're still alive

They say something very similar whenever I point out the errors of their methods.

"Well you turned out fine didn't you!"

Did I? There's no way for us to compare what I'd be like if I was raised by a modern day parent. Maybe I'd be greatly improved.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

The main point is that the Monarchy has little or no power, although it may have considerable influence. ( both here and abroad)

The idea of an elected head of state fills me with horror !!

Has nobody seen the mess that the politicians of all parties have made of our wonderful country

It's the electorate that have made a mess of it. They didn't have to back the chancers for the majority of the time.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

They say something very similar whenever I point out the errors of their methods.

"Well you turned out fine didn't you!"

Did I? There's no way for us to compare what I'd be like if I was raised by a modern day parent. Maybe I'd be greatly improved.

There's also modern day parents of the kids who have broken into Bedford Terrace twice this week in the middle of the night to smash the place up.

You can't paint each generation with the same brush.

 

[Rishworthian]

....... and maybe you would not have been better. Sadly there is no way of being certain until you actually try it.

Every parent tries to do the best for their children.

We don't always succeed in being the best some modern ways will be better but I suspect not all

 

[Rishworthian]

It's the electorate that have made a mess of it. They didn't have to back the chancers for the majority of the time.

but you'd still back the electorate to get it "right" They don't have the best track record I might suggest

we might elect a Trump and we did elect Boris scarey

 

[SuperStu]

You can't paint each generation with the same brush.

Every parent tries to do the best for their children.

To clarify what I mean, it's nothing against either of our parents as people. We're both lucky to be from nice families.

It's more they've obviously internalised what was the prevailing advice 30/40 years ago for parents and a lot of it is not recommended now. Stuff around childrens diets, etc.

There's also modern day parents of the kids who have broken into Bedford Terrace twice this week in the middle of the night to smash the place up.

TBF if these kids are at an age to be breaking into houses now, their parents were probably where I am now about 15 years ago. One foot in the bonkers 80s parenting, one in the much improved modern tekkers!

 

[youallloveit]

Society as a whole has been dumbed down to the lowest ebb

 

[Rishworthian]

To clarify what I mean, it's nothing against either of our parents as people. We're both lucky to be from nice families.

It's more they've obviously internalised what was the prevailing advice 30/40 years ago for parents and a lot of it is not recommended now. Stuff around childrens diets, etc.



TBF if these kids are at an age to be breaking into houses now, their parents were probably where I am now about 15 years ago. One foot in the bonkers 80s parenting, one in the much improved modern tekkers!

Stu

I get you. My eldest who has his birthday today ( b 1968) was telling me about the injection that his wife had on the birth of the first child ( 1999) to prevent a rhesus factor complecation.

We'd actually been part of the research programme at Princess Mary's in Newcastle and were well aware of the situation. He'd assumed we couldn't possibly know about this modern thing. Made us smile a bit

I think it was called Gamma Globulin and cost £500 in 1968 I think I earned abut £40 a month at the time to put it into context

One of my old mates had it in 1945 and he was in hospital having a full blood change for a week or two actually life threatening

WE were encouraged not to breast feed - yet that advice has changed.

I have a lovely and very competent dietitian who would have given us completely different advice at the time and as a kid in the 40s we had to go down to the clinic to get some nutrition stuff came in a big tin and cod liver oil tablets

Even as a society we try and get it right but we will not succeed every time Enjoy the bairn they won't be this age ever again

 

[Andy_W]

"Down in the high street somebody careered out of Boots without due care or attention
I suggest that they learn some pedestrian etiquette
I.e. sidle out of the store gingerly
Embrace the margin"

Was this written about you?

I'd say people are far less patient of others nowadays, especially while driving.

Oh I've got plenty of care, safety first etc, so that's why I get held up, as I won't be rude to people and ram passed them (unless at a gig, where there are no rules).

I've never been patient, but I don't think I've got less patient.

I'm not walking any quicker as I'm older, probably slower if anything, so something has changed, to widen the gap between an acceptible pace (for me), and an unacceptable pace (of others) and I'm not convinced it's me

 

[RedAsABeetroot]

Oh I've got plenty of care, safety first etc, so that's why I get held up, as I won't be rude to people and ram passed them (unless at a gig, where there are no rules).

I've never been patient, but I don't think I've got less patient.

I'm not walking any quicker as I'm older, probably slower if anything, so something has changed, to widen the gap between an acceptible pace (for me), and an unacceptable pace (of others) and I'm not convinced it's me

Sorry, wasn't accusing you, but couldn't pass up the opportunity for a HMHB reference

 

[Nano]

Have to laugh at the idea parents were better in the 60s/70s/80s than they are now. My partner and I have a 1 year old and some of the suggestions on how to parent that come from the grandparents are absolutely bonkers.

I haven't kept up with the thread but I noticed "parenting being worse" being mentioned and I couldn't agree more with you. My parent's generation, and I'm going to generalise because my parents were very good, was mostly 1 person (the woman) doing the parenting/housework while the other person went to work, then the pub, then went out at the weekend to the football and/or played golf. Discipline was usually in the form of physical violence and/or threats of. Blokes didn't talk about feelings etc. Kids were to be seen and not heard. Parents (especially dads) didn't get involved with school by doing drop offs, parents evenings, attending awards/shows etc.

The bad parents you see now are the ones still using those old methods. Modern parenting might not discipline kids physically but I think kids being heard in public (which is what these boomer's mean when they say badly behaved kids in shops/restaurants) is fast more likely raise well rounded adults than adults physically abusing children would.

I hear stories from friends and even worse stories from my parents and their friends about how kids were just left to fend for themselves growing up. They were left at home alone from really young ages or they were just sent out and they'd be out for 12 hours which sounds great and adventurous but it's dangerous and neglectful.

Yes, my generation survived that parenting but it doesn't mean it was optimal. I'm not saying everything that my generation is doing is perfect either. I'm sure when my kids grow up they'll disagree with a lot of what we do but I am very confident that kids these days are well behaved and respectful because they know it is the right thing to do instead of just because they were afraid of the consequences of not being.

 

[RedAsABeetroot]

Parents (especially dads) didn't get involved with school by doing drop offs, parents evenings, attending awards/shows etc.

Surely this is a major change in itself. Parents didn't get involved in the school run because it didn't exist. Before league tables you generally went to the nearest school to your house and either walked or got the bus.

 

[Nano]

Surely this is a major change in itself. Parents didn't get involved in the school run because it didn't exist. Before league tables you generally went to the nearest school to your house and either walked or got the bus.

No, you're already skipping about 5 years of school before you get to that point. Infant school kids didn't walk by themselves. The school run can still be a 5 minute walk but in previous generations women didn't work and the men were out the house before school starts and back after it ends.

Even when the women went to work it was still expected that if anything needed to be flexible with hours worked or days off for sickness it would be the women. There has been a massive change since covid and WFH prevalence has increased that means men can be involved much more and it's very noticeable when I drop/pick up my kids that it's not nearly all women doing it anymore. I can be far more involved in my kids lives than I could pre-covid where I'd be out the house between 7:30am and 6pm every day and it's great to be able to do that.

 

[JackG]

No, you're already skipping about 5 years of school before you get to that point. Infant school kids didn't walk by themselves. The school run can still be a 5 minute walk but in previous generations women didn't work and the men were out the house before school starts and back after it ends.

Even when the women went to work it was still expected that if anything needed to be flexible with hours worked or days off for sickness it would be the women. There has been a massive change since covid and WFH prevalence has increased that means men can be involved much more and it's very noticeable when I drop/pick up my kids that it's not nearly all women doing it anymore. I can be far more involved in my kids lives than I could pre-covid where I'd be out the house between 7:30am and 6pm every day and it's great to be able to do that.

My mum took me to school on my first day when I was 5. I went on my own after that. No self-respecting child would have tolerated it's mum collecting them from school! I went out to play all day from about the age of 3, as did most kids. It was much safer then as there was hardly any traffic. ( I'm 70).

 

[Cambsred]

I can't trust my 3 year old to go to the toilet and wipe his bum cleanly.

 

[Paterson]

My mum took me to school on my first day when I was 5. I went on my own after that. No self-respecting child would have tolerated it's mum collecting them from school! I went out to play all day from about the age of 3, as did most kids. It was much safer then as there was hardly any traffic. ( I'm 70).

I'm 58 and also of the walking to school generation. Like JackG, I wouldn't have entertained the idea of being accompanied by my Mam after day 1 of infants. It helped that I lived about three hundred yards from the school gate, but I still had to cross Darlington Lane. Secondary school was about forty minutes walk, including crossing a railway line and we'd do it at 7am when we had pre-school basketball practice.

My kids were about ten before they made the twenty minute walk to school by themselves and the grandkids (at 11 and 12) are delivered to school by car, although to be fair it's about a 75 minute walk.

I'm not suggesting any is better or worse, just different. Although as I've been ran over in later life fewer times than the rest of them put together maybe getting used to traffic as a small child increases awareness.

 

[Ipad1977]

Interesting the first half dozen replies are so are all regards to selfishness and greed. Not something that would have crossed my mind to be honest.

I think the word "entitled" sums it up more accurately. People see others broadcasting their possessions and such like on social media more often, so think It's the normal and therefore that they are deserving of it.