How long before a woman is manager of a football league team?

dontheking said:
Did he not play semi pro? Which is a much higher standard than women's football. And I was just referring to the plonker who mentioned that a woman could be considered for thr England job on the back of winning the women's World cup, but then again the more I look at the statement its a FA wet dream.
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It's a difficult concept for you, I understand that, but the level you play at doesn't determine how good a manager or coach you are.

Wiegman is proving that, doing what the men's England international and multiple honours winner couldn't do.
 
There is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't happen.

Yet, i still dont see it happening anytime soon. The stigma that a women isnt good enough to manage a football team is clearly still there for many and the fans and their 'banter'.

Pretty sad really.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It's a difficult concept for you, I understand that, but the level you play at doesn't determine how good a manager or coach you are.

Wiegman is proving that, doing what the men's England international and multiple honours winner couldn't do.
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So is lee carlsey though. Its not a difficult concept at all, just that women's football is totally different to the men's. Playing and coaching.
 
WindyNook said:
Emma Hayes already fits the bill. Straight talking no nonsense manager. Good insight and tactically astute. She has experience at a big club at the top of her league and in Europe as well.
But premier clubs have a short "success time" that's why the find it difficult to appoint male managersBritish
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Unfortunately my son supports Chelsea, he wanted Hayes to take over before they got Potch.
 
Once the first appointment is made then I think more would quickly follow until it is a 'normal' option.
It would have to be made for the proper reasons though - i.e. the best candidate for the job - and not just as a statement appointment or even a publicity stunt, which the FGR one felt like.

Whatever your views on misogyny / sexism / ignorance, appointing a female manager is still a big step and a big risk for whoever is first. The pressure and the spotlight would be massive, both on the manager and the club.
Although the game itself is the same, I imagine the culture and dressing room dynamics are very different - and that is where I think the problems would be.

I can see females being appointed as coaches or as deputy managers in the next couple of years as the first step.
That would build reputations without the full glare - until it becomes a natural progression as with a lot of aspirational coaches.
I can understand why top female managers in the women's game might see that as a step down, but to be truly pioneering they might need to accept it.

As for England, I think there would need to have been several women managing for a while in club football at all levels before any would be seriously considered.
 
We now have female refs officiating men's games, we've had female fourth officials in the men's game for many years now too, so it'll happen.

Wouldn't be surprised if the FGR appointment, PR stunt that it was, inspires another lower league club to do it.
 
Juninhoburger said:
We now have female refs officiating men's games, we've had female fourth officials in the men's game for a few years now too, so it'll happen.

Wouldn't be surprised if the FGR appointment, PR stunt that it was, inspires another lower league club to do it.
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First-time managers, even right down the football league, tend to be people that have worked in the game as a coach/assistant already and/or are a high profile name. I can't see anyone bringing in a woman that has been managing in the women's game only straight into a manager's role. Taking someone from what is essentially another sport would be like when Southampton hired Clive Woodward.
 
There are quite a few female assistant coaches in the NBA, but it is also much more common for coaches in US sport to have never played the sport. Becky Hammon was lead assistant for the San Antonio Spurs, was interviewed a few times for head coach positions, but eventually took a job in the WNBA (won the championship in her first season).

Coaching/management needs completely different skills to playing sport. It's about spotting patterns, analysing data, and managing people.

In many professions it is considered to be a positive to be an outsider in management because you are not biased by experience- you can base your decisions/tactics on logic and intellect not on precedent and tradition.

Wiegman should be considered for an international post - whether it is England or someone else. She clearly has the skills to build a team, adapt to situations and make changes during a major tournament.

She should be able to apply those skills to a similar, but different sport.
 
Ravshoutsatbeck said:
There are quite a few female assistant coaches in the NBA, but it is also much more common for coaches in US sport to have never played the sport. Becky Hammon was lead assistant for the San Antonio Spurs, was interviewed a few times for head coach positions, but eventually took a job in the WNBA (won the championship in her first season).

Coaching/management needs completely different skills to playing sport. It's about spotting patterns, analysing data, and managing people.

In many professions it is considered to be a positive to be an outsider in management because you are not biased by experience- you can base your decisions/tactics on logic and intellect not on precedent and tradition.

Wiegman should be considered for an international post - whether it is England or someone else. She clearly has the skills to build a team, adapt to situations and make changes during a major tournament.

She should be able to apply those skills to a similar, but different sport.
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She won’t be offered the men’s England job though, regardless. The media around it would be too intense particularly when there hasn’t even been a national league female manager or coach let alone the men’s national team. I’d like to see Wiegman take one for the team and apply for a manager role further down the league ladder. It should be beneath her, but it would be trailblazing for women
 
I think it’s unlikely - what if there’s a sale on at M&S on match day, or they haven’t got all the housework done before kickoff, and Sunday matches are no no as they’ll be making Sunday dinner - i can’t see it personally
 
BoroMart said:
She won’t be offered the men’s England job though, regardless. The media around it would be too intense particularly when there hasn’t even been a national league female manager or coach let alone the men’s national team. I’d like to see Wiegman take one for the team and apply for a manager role further down the league ladder. It should be beneath her, but it would be trailblazing for women
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Of course it won't happen.

It would make more sense for her to get some kind of international job because that is the skill she has shown and I think it os very different to club management.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
I think it’s unlikely - what if there’s a sale on at M&S on match day, or they haven’t got all the housework done before kickoff, and Sunday matches are no no as they’ll be making Sunday dinner - i can’t see it personally
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Do you genuinely think this is funny?

What a sad little life when casual old fashioned misogyny still pops into your head when discussing women.
 
Nano said:
First-time managers, even right down the football league, tend to be people that have worked in the game as a coach/assistant already and/or are a high profile name. I can't see anyone bringing in a woman that has been managing in the women's game only straight into a manager's role. Taking someone from what is essentially another sport would be like when Southampton hired Clive Woodward.
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If it's 'another sport' how have blokes managed women's football successfully and why can't women do the same?
 
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