I hope we NEVER agree to business with Spurs again

Angelofayresome said:
He is a business man, that's all these chairman are. Not been funny if a pasty cost £1.50 and next door had the same one at a £1 where would you go? It's frustrating yes but the buying club hold all the cards. We have been robbed in our transfer business the last 5/6 years it will get resolved.
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If that was the situation, I certainly wouldn't spend my lunch break trying to convince the seller of the £1.50 pasty to reduce his price to £1.
 
JM14 said:
Every club has to do smart business regardless of stature, if we were the same with transfers our fans would be applauding it
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No we wouldn't. We'd be frustrated that we were going to miss out on a top target because of a lousy couple of mill.
It's happened before.
 
Id be going to forest and saying can we do a deal at 10million? I mean 10milluon in hand is worth 20million in a bush as they say. Spence wasnt worth 5millilion last year
 
As he's entitled to do, Levy is playing our perceived desperation, longing it out, and as Wilder has said "We won't be bullied". Good. Not only do I agree with the OP that it is to be hoped we never do business with Spurs again, I sincerely hope we don't now either, as much to deny Spence his dream move as to stick it to Levy. So what if we can't sign players and only have an average season - we're used to it after all. And if we do go up we'll only ever be also-rans at best, let's face it, and more than likely we'd go straight back down as we often have. To follow a club the stature of Boro in the modern plutocratic world is to be vividly aware of one's place in the pecking order. I'd rather be owned by a Boro lad with integrity (we'll overlook his flirtation with the Tories) who donates our FA Cup tie money to Ukraine on a whim, than owned by an individual who clearly see himself on some sort of Big d*ck dealmaker of the Logan Roy ilk who loves to make the other (weaker) guy squirm.

And I'd DEFINITELY rather be owned by the likes of Gibson than be celebrating ownership of the sportswashing Saudis, The word 'integrity' has been bandied around in the past few days, often by people who wouldn't recognise it if it slapped them in the face like a wet haddock. But integrity is what has largely defined Gibson's tenure and I hope he gives Levy a firm deadline to cough up the required amount, and if he doesn't then move on.
 
equaliser said:
As he's entitled to do, Levy is playing our perceived desperation, longing it out, and as Wilder has said "We won't be bullied". Good. Not only do I agree with the OP that it is to be hoped we never do business with Spurs again, I sincerely hope we don't now either, as much to deny Spence his dream move as to stick it to Levy. So what if we can't sign players and only have an average season - we're used to it after all. And if we do go up we'll only ever be also-rans at best, let's face it, and more than likely we'd go straight back down as we often have. To follow a club the stature of Boro in the modern plutocratic world is to be vividly aware of one's place in the pecking order. I'd rather be owned by a Boro lad with integrity (we'll overlook his flirtation with the Tories) who donates our FA Cup tie money to Ukraine on a whim, than owned by an individual who clearly see himself on some sort of Big d*ck dealmaker of the Logan Roy ilk who loves to make the other (weaker) guy squirm.

And I'd DEFINITELY rather be owned by the likes of Gibson than be celebrating ownership of the sportswashing Saudis, The word 'integrity' has been bandied around in the past few days, often by people who wouldn't recognise it if it slapped them in the face like a wet haddock. But integrity is what has largely defined Gibson's tenure and I hope he gives Levy a firm deadline to cough up the required amount, and if he doesn't then move on.
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Aye. Let’s ruin our own chances of a good season to get one up on Daniel Levy and to show Djed Spence who the daddy is. Give over ffs.

Football doesn’t work like that. We will sell him when we get a bid that is acceptable and we will re invest and try have a successful season.
 
equaliser said:
As he's entitled to do, Levy is playing our perceived desperation, longing it out, and as Wilder has said "We won't be bullied". Good. Not only do I agree with the OP that it is to be hoped we never do business with Spurs again, I sincerely hope we don't now either, as much to deny Spence his dream move as to stick it to Levy. So what if we can't sign players and only have an average season - we're used to it after all. And if we do go up we'll only ever be also-rans at best, let's face it, and more than likely we'd go straight back down as we often have. To follow a club the stature of Boro in the modern plutocratic world is to be vividly aware of one's place in the pecking order. I'd rather be owned by a Boro lad with integrity (we'll overlook his flirtation with the Tories) who donates our FA Cup tie money to Ukraine on a whim, than owned by an individual who clearly see himself on some sort of Big d*ck dealmaker of the Logan Roy ilk who loves to make the other (weaker) guy squirm.

And I'd DEFINITELY rather be owned by the likes of Gibson than be celebrating ownership of the sportswashing Saudis, The word 'integrity' has been bandied around in the past few days, often by people who wouldn't recognise it if it slapped them in the face like a wet haddock. But integrity is what has largely defined Gibson's tenure and I hope he gives Levy a firm deadline to cough up the required amount, and if he doesn't then move on.
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That's the spirit. We know our place.
 
Rofesleg said:
That's the spirit. We know our place.
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Yeah, but that's what Levy's banking on, so call his bluff. I'm not saying we won't sell him as he's clearly going to be disgruntled if he stays, but I'd rather get, say, 12 mil from Brentford than 14 on deadline day from Levy when it's too late to spend it and everyone's wanting top dollar anyway. Stick it to him.
 
Diego said:
Aye. Let’s ruin our own chances of a good season to get one up on Daniel Levy and to show Djed Spence who the daddy is. Give over ffs.

Football doesn’t work like that. We will sell him when we get a bid that is acceptable and we will re invest and try have a successful season.
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we're not showing anyone "who the daddy is". Spence is an employee of our club who blatantly disrespected that fact and now wants what he wants. Levy knows we want the cash asap to reinvest in the team and is playing us, like I said. They're both arrogant and I personally would like to confound them by selling Spence elsewhere.
 
equaliser said:
As he's entitled to do, Levy is playing our perceived desperation, longing it out, and as Wilder has said "We won't be bullied". Good. Not only do I agree with the OP that it is to be hoped we never do business with Spurs again, I sincerely hope we don't now either, as much to deny Spence his dream move as to stick it to Levy. So what if we can't sign players and only have an average season - we're used to it after all. And if we do go up we'll only ever be also-rans at best, let's face it, and more than likely we'd go straight back down as we often have. To follow a club the stature of Boro in the modern plutocratic world is to be vividly aware of one's place in the pecking order. I'd rather be owned by a Boro lad with integrity (we'll overlook his flirtation with the Tories) who donates our FA Cup tie money to Ukraine on a whim, than owned by an individual who clearly see himself on some sort of Big d*ck dealmaker of the Logan Roy ilk who loves to make the other (weaker) guy squirm.

And I'd DEFINITELY rather be owned by the likes of Gibson than be celebrating ownership of the sportswashing Saudis, The word 'integrity' has been bandied around in the past few days, often by people who wouldn't recognise it if it slapped them in the face like a wet haddock. But integrity is what has largely defined Gibson's tenure and I hope he gives Levy a firm deadline to cough up the required amount, and if he doesn't then move on.
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Bloody hell, did I post this while I was drunk last night and change my username?
I swear you have written my near entire thoughts on this, Mfc and football.
 
Pay the “Levy” Levy. They have the PL / CL money, we have Financial Fair Play. Looks like it may go to September 1st 23:00. A dramatic day when we sell one and buy five. (y)
 
Rofesleg said:
No we wouldn't. We'd be frustrated that we were going to miss out on a top target because of a lousy couple of mill.
It's happened before.
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They aren’t going to miss out on him, as it stands they are the only club making bids
 
It's 8th July. People really need to stop being hysterical and accept that many transfers take time to reach final agreement. Just look at Sterling who apparently agreed personal terms with Chelsea earlier this week even though the 2 clubs haven't yet agreed on the fee.

The Spence deal will be done, most likely within the next 7 days. The more important issue is whether we have deals provisionally agreed with other clubs for when funds become available.
 
There might be no other firm bids but there'll certainly be clubs "monitoring the situation" as they say. He was best right back in the championship, 22 and English. Plenty of sides will be interested, but if he's already agreed terms with Spurs and that's where he's determined to go what the point them bidding at this point? I would be surprised if some tentative discussions haven't already taken place with other clubs to get a feel for what they might be willing to pay if the Spurs deal does fall through.

To use Sterling as an example, why is no-one else trying to outbid Chelsea? I don't think transfers are always as straightforward as entering a bidding war.

Spurs know they're in the driving seat. They're Spence's preferred destination and I'm sure they're trying to use that as leverage. It probably will help them get him for a bit cheaper.

But I'm sure the club are equally confident they can get their minimum asking price from someone else if it does break down (otherwise we'd not really have any negotiating position at all and would probably have accepted Spurs offer by now).

Just brinkmanship. I'm sure we're almost there in terms of an acceptable compromise, but sometimes you have to be patient if you want a fair price. The fact we've already stuck to our guns for a few weeks shows we're not as desperate as maybe Levy was hoping and strengthens our position. Bit frustrating as fans, but the right thing to do.
 
Rofesleg said:
Not the point. Our fans would think we are missing out because of penny pinching. They wouldn't be applauding.
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But they haven’t missed out, that’s a fact. Clubs won’t just agree to pay any price when they know the buying club is in a far stronger position to negotiate than the selling club
 
JM14 said:
But they haven’t missed out, that’s a fact. Clubs won’t just agree to pay any price when they know the buying club is in a far stronger position to negotiate than the selling club
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I know all that. I was responding to your comment that our fans would be applauding if we were massively delaying buying a top target because of a £million or so.
Which they wouldn't be. They'd be frustrated.
 
Rofesleg said:
I know all that. I was responding to your comment that our fans would be applauding if we were massively delaying buying a top target because of a £million or so.
Which they wouldn't be. They'd be frustrated.
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If clubs just paid the fee for players without any negotiation then we would have our transfers all done by now. Every single club does this, do you just expect them to pay our asking price with zero negotiation?
 
JM14 said:
If clubs just paid the fee for players without any negotiation then we would have our transfers all done by now. Every single club does this, do you just expect them to pay our asking price with zero negotiation?
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How many more times? I agree with you!
You're arguing against a point I didn't make.

I WAS ON ABOUT THE REACTION OF FANS TO THE DELAY, NOT THE RIGHTS AND WRONGS OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.

YOU SAID THE BORO FANS WOULD APPLAUD THE DELAYS IF ROLES WERE REVERSED. I DON'T THINK THE BORO FANS WOULD APPLAUD THE DELAYS.

That's it. Nothing else. No argument over how long or how much either club should or shouldn't negotiate.
No argument over how much should be paid.
No argument over who we should sell too.
Simply a disagreement over HOW THE BORO FANS WOULD REACT IF ROLES WERE REVERSED.

It's not even that big of a point. But you've driven me to shouting and ranting on a messageboard. So thanks for that.
 
Rofesleg said:
How many more times? I agree with you!
You're arguing against a point I didn't make.

I WAS ON ABOUT THE REACTION OF FANS TO THE DELAY, NOT THE RIGHTS AND WRONGS OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.

YOU SAID THE BORO FANS WOULD APPLAUD THE DELAYS IF ROLES WERE REVERSED. I DON'T THINK THE BORO FANS WOULD APPLAUD THE DELAYS.

That's it. Nothing else. No argument over how long or how much either club should or shouldn't negotiate.
No argument over how much should be paid.
No argument over who we should sell too.
Simply a disagreement over HOW THE BORO FANS WOULD REACT IF ROLES WERE REVERSED.

It's not even that big of a point. But you've driven me to shouting and ranting on a messageboard. So thanks for that.
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So you would be happy as a Boro fan if we didn’t negotiate over fees for potential players and just paid whatever the selling club wanted just to get a quick deal?
 
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