It's almost as if we weren't told the complete truth

[SmallTown]

Think I read somewhere that the BoE estimated that Brexit was now costing £444m a week, so we're basically £94m in the red. How's that going to affect the NHS?

No, we are £94m in the red if you believe the brexit lie that we paid our membership fees without any benefits at all. Offset all the subsidies and European funding we had that we have now lost we are hundreds of millions in the red. per week

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Is that true? If so he has demonstrated yet again that he is completely unfit to be anywhere near power.

I've just read the that the Tories are now going to legislate to 'amend' the protocol so there will be green lanes for goods not destined for the Republic.
Yes, that will totally work. Now an importer can be 100% sure he can send dodgy goods to the Republic by declaring that they aren't destined for the Republic. knowing there will be no checks. I am sure the EU will be keen to go along with this!

I've just found it. what he actually says is that he didn't expect them to apply the protocol "in quite the way that they have"

It's in the first five minutes of this interview and, as the interviewer points out, alli the problems were in the impact assessment paper and he then asks if Johnson has read it. He's a bad and lazy con man and a bad and lazy liar but he gets away with it.

 

[Littlejimmy]

I've just found it. what he actually says is that he didn't expect them to apply the protocol "in quite the way that they have"

It's in the first five minutes of this interview and, as the interviewer points out, alli the problems were in the impact assessment paper and he then asks if Johnson has read it. He's a bad and lazy con man and a bad and lazy liar but he gets away with it.

Yep, his bluster and BS and making of empty promises is not going to cut it with the grown-ups. The US won't be happy.

 

[American_Mary]

Good governance is the mitigation and amelioration of outside challenges to benefit the majority that they govern.

Bad governance is the encouragement and vitiation of outside challenges to harm the majority that they govern.

In every case, every circumstance, without exception and with metronomic consistency Johnson has been an example of the latter, mistake after mistake, lie after lie, error after error, a man who does not do detail will always be tripped up by the devil therein, even his belated resignation will not redeem or repair the damage he has done and the longer this ship of government has an incapable and incompetent Captain the longer the clean up operation will take, many of us warned of what would happen but I think few of us could foresee how far along a voyage of destruction Johnson would be allowed to take this country before the competent wrestled control of wheel.

 

[dooderooni]

Good governance is the mitigation and amelioration of outside challenges to benefit the majority that they govern.

Bad governance is the encouragement and vitiation of outside challenges to harm the majority that they govern.

In every case, every circumstance, without exception and with metronomic consistency Johnson has been an example of the latter, mistake after mistake, lie after lie, error after error, a man who does not do detail will always be tripped up by the devil therein, even his belated resignation will not redeem or repair the damage he has down and the longer this ship of government has an incapable and incompetent Captain the longer the clean up operation will take, many of us warned of what would happen but I think few of us could foresee how far along a voyage of destruction Johnson would be allowed to take this country before the competent wrestled control of wheel.

The competent will need the backing of the electorate to do that and I'm not sure that Johnson isn't the majority of the electorate manifested.

 

[Redwurzel]

Food has been traditionally more expensive within the EEC/EU - there was and probably still is a strategy of supporting European food production and rural communities with subsidies. In more recent years it is has not been as strong after large food and drink surpluses were produced. The subsidies still represent around 38% of the EU's total budget.

Non tariff barriers such as expensive and delayed excessive paperwork will make food more expensive.

 

[SmallTown]

Food has been traditionally more expensive within the EEC/EU - there was and probably still is a strategy of supporting European food production and rural communities with subsidies. In more recent years it is has not been as strong after large food and drink surpluses were produced. The subsidies still represent around 38% of the EU's total budget.

Non tariff barriers such as expensive and delayed excessive paperwork will make food more expensive.

"Food is more expensive within the EU, food will be made more expenisve now we are outside the EU"

Brexiter logic just breaks your brain doesn't it?

 

[chickenrunner]

Food has been traditionally more expensive within the EEC/EU - there was and probably still is a strategy of supporting European food production and rural communities with subsidies. In more recent years it is has not been as strong after large food and drink surpluses were produced. The subsidies still represent around 38% of the EU's total budget.

Non tariff barriers such as expensive and delayed excessive paperwork will make food more expensive.

So the EU has traditionally supported European producers and applied higher standards to food production than producers elsewhere in the world. You say that this has made food expensive but I think it has been widely accepted that over the last 30 years food has actually become cheaper in real terms.

Our governments 'sooper dooper' post Brexit plan? Sign up to desperate, cheap tack trade deals that undercut prices and standards that will ultimately damage our own producers and drive them out of business, brilliant! Then what? We'll be held to ransom by outside producers and manufacturers.

Unfortunately Brexit has been well and truly highjacked by the hard Brexit loons. It doesn't have to be like this, no one voted for this. We should be using Brexit to strengthen our own producers and manufacturers not undermine them. Covid19 and Putin's shenanigans should have taught us that when the chips are down you can't rely on others (unless you pay through the nose).

 

[ThePrisoner]

Sign up to desperate, cheap tack trade deals that undercut prices and standards

Oh I don't know. The Japanese radioactive chicken we are going to get might be quite cheap.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Yup, kind of proves my point. People use covid and a war to hide behind d the failures of brexit. Its one big tragedy after another and its allowing g brexit to destroy our country. Makes me sad

Nobody is hiding the behind brexit though. People are still saying brexit bad, covid/war worse

 

[ForssAwakens]

Sweden, for example is also in Europe s affected by the war. It also handled covid as badly as we did. How many food banks are there in Sweden? Or none EU Norway?

To use covid and Ukraine as an excise for our cost of living crisis is to ignore the devasting affect of brexit and ignore the gavt every other country I'm Europe has suffered covid and war and (Ukraine aside) is recovering better

Trust me, with the tories in power, they’d still be as many food banks today if we remained in eu. It’s in the Troy dna

 

[BobUpnDown]

Not just us feeling the pinch.. & worrying about cost of living..
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/interna...rack-cost-living-squeeze-being-felt-around-eu

I do very much like the rail fare initiative in Germany.. €27 for 90 days of public transport.. excellent idea.. https://www.euronews.com/green/2022...nd-are-the-first-to-cut-public-transport-pric

 

[ThePrisoner]

I was reading earlier today that some people who wanted a brexit and believe in a brexit dont know anyone, not one person, not them, not their family, not a neighbour, not a work colleague, not a bloke down the club, not a woman with a child, not a self employed person, not someone in the public sector, not someone shopping for food, or paying a gas bill, or looking to go on holiday - not one who has been affected for the worse by brexit so far - its an amazing feat to still be believing that - but thats what the belief appears to be.



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But they have got the Brexit they voted for.

The referendum question was: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? The responses were:

1) Remain a member of the European Union

2) Leave the European Union

UK voted for 2) and that has been delivered. What else do they want? For it to be good for them?

 

[SmallTown]

Not just us feeling the pinch.. & worrying about cost of living..
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/interna...rack-cost-living-squeeze-being-felt-around-eu

Well, a poll of what people are likely to complain about and what people expect has convinced me. We can add that to the long and painful list of brexit excuses. "Yeah, but people in Caracas have it worse"

 

[Redwurzel]

Trust me, with the tories in power, they’d still be as many food banks today if we remained in eu. It’s in the Troy dna

Wealth and Income inequality have been rising for years certainly since the early 1980s in the UK.

To me its becoming clear the strategies and policies of the last 43 years are not working in the UK. Allowing the wealthy to get wealthier is not making the cake bigger for everyone, some of this is due to UK governments and some due to implimentation of EEC/EU policies.

The Conservative Party has got conflicting groups to satisfy and its going to be interesting to see how they do this or not do this. Do they cut taxes for the comfortably off and thus restrict public expenditure or support the Red Wallers people in left behind areas on modest to low incomes on a levelling up agenda (many of which voted for them in 2017 and 2019). To me different groups in society are fighting to some extent for limited resources e.g ordinary employees want wages increases and jobs while shareholders want higher dividends and share prices and costs to be cut. Shareholders have been winning. Middle class professionals want the status of private schools maintained while working class should want better quality state schools, but raising standards in state schools is a threat to some extent to private schools, since 2010 private schools have been winning. Raising welfare benefits (to the poorest in society) comes from increasing tax revenues. In recent years cuts in welfare payments have meant the poor have lost out to higher rate taxpayers. Investment in wealthy areas of the UK has come at a cost to poorer areas.

 

[American_Mary]

Wealth and Income inequality have been rising for years certainly since the early 1980s in the UK.

To me its becoming clear the strategies and policies of the last 43 years are not working in the UK. Allowing the wealthy to get wealthier is not making the cake bigger for everyone, some of this is due to UK governments and some due to implimentation of EEC/EU policies.

The Conservative Party has got conflicting groups to satisfy and its going to be interesting to see how they do this or not do this. Do they cut taxes for the comfortably off and thus restrict public expenditure or support the Red Wallers people in left behind areas on modest to low incomes on a levelling up agenda (many of which voted for them in 2017 and 2019). To me different groups in society are fighting to some extent for limited resources e.g ordinary employees want wages increases and jobs while shareholders want higher dividends and share prices and costs to be cut. Shareholders have been winning. Middle class professionals want the status of private schools maintained while working class should want better quality state schools, but raising standards in state schools is a threat to some extent to private schools, since 2010 private schools have been winning. Raising welfare benefits (to the poorest in society) comes from increasing tax revenues. In recent years cuts in welfare payments have meant the poor have lost out to higher rate taxpayers. Investment in wealthy areas of the UK has come at a cost to poorer areas.

All of that makes sense apart from I don't think there are any EU policies that widen that divide, that has always been down to the U.K. government and their decisions, I think at times they hid behind the EU to impose restrictions that were within their own remit, across the EU there's no standard pattern of divide between rich and poor which would suggest the EU regulations are the primary driver in social division.

 

[Andy_W]

Nobody is hiding the behind brexit though. People are still saying brexit bad, covid/war worse

They would be largely wrong though, using inflation as an example (typically 3%), most countries (that have at least some of their own energy, like us) are around double inflation and we're treble, so that is effectively pretty similar, albeit to make something bad, far worse, takes some doing (brexit does this just fine). But, and it's a big but, Brexit's been a problem since 2016 when it was voted for, as from Day 1 countries all over the world will have started to re-assess our market, and Brexit will still be a problem in 2036 (if we don't re-join the single market and customs union).

The energy void from not using Russia will slowly correct itself, at least for richer countries first, and the war will probably be over in 6-12 months, then things will gradually get back to normal. Covid is pretty much already over (as far as stopping economies from working), the world is just working through the back log and will get back to level par again soon. The latter is causing a problem for the former, as demand us unusually high, and energy supply unusually low, but like I say, it will correct itself.

Give it a year or two and they will have no sofa to hide behind.

 

[Andy_W]

I was reading earlier today that some people who wanted a brexit and believe in a brexit dont know anyone, not one person, not them, not their family, not a neighbour, not a work colleague, not a bloke down the club, not a woman with a child, not a self employed person, not someone in the public sector, not someone shopping for food, or paying a gas bill, or looking to go on holiday - not one who has been affected for the worse by brexit so far - its an amazing feat to still be believing that - but thats what the belief appears to be.



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Of course they didn't get what they were voting for, there were 17 options, packaged under the same tag line, only one of those could be selected, and hence why 16/17 didn't get what they wanted.

Of course, this was pointed out to them, over and over again, but 99% of them didn't acknowledge that either.

But, like @ThePrisoner says, they wanted out of the EU, and we're out of the EU, so the other 94% need to realise they've got exactly what they voted for, with this **** show, as they opened the door to it.

 

[Ziggy]

For some it will always work out.
Today, father of Boris Johnson…Stanley, receives his French citizenship

 

[Frozen Horse]

But they have got the Brexit they voted for.

I kind of agree with that: there's only 1 Brexit, and it's bad for Britain and bad for the British people.

However, it's not the Brexit people believed they were voting for or told they were voting for. That Brexit doesn't exist.

I am a little surprised to see that result in the Express though, begin a bastion of Brexit rhetoric. Was it a poll of their readers or of the general public?