SmallTown
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It isn't.
COVID and the war have been really handy excuses for brexitists to deflect from the economic disaster they are inflicting on the country.
It's almost as if we weren't told the complete truth
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COVID and the war have been really handy excuses for brexitists to deflect from the economic disaster they are inflicting on the country.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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What effect did the destabilising effect of Brexit on the west have on Russia's attitude towards Ukraine?
h_m_boro
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Thatcher got immersed in Reaganomics, so set about dismantling anything that could be broken up and sold off to the highest bidder. This was then replaced abroad by cheaper materials and labour. Manufacturing went to the wall. Utilities. Rail. Infrastructure. Privatisation of government services. Short term vision for quick £££££.
Country would be in a far better place if we were not simply a service provider, and actually remained an industrial player, like we used to be. Would not be so reliant on ......well, pretty much everything. So BrEXit - move out of a massive trading bloc and go it alone.......with very little to export and importing a lot. What could possibly go wrong?
Country would be in a far better place if we were not simply a service provider, and actually remained an industrial player, like we used to be. Would not be so reliant on ......well, pretty much everything. So BrEXit - move out of a massive trading bloc and go it alone.......with very little to export and importing a lot. What could possibly go wrong?
Unravel_Morrison
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We haven't even seen the worst of the inflationary pressures yet. BofE are predicting up to 10% later on this year.
BobUpnDown
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"It's almost as if we weren't told the complete truth" there is no truth, there is only opinion. BoE reckons 80% of inflation pressures is due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine & it's effect on global food supply - grain & for the EU counties also their dependence on Russian fossil fuels - which has a knock on effect for world supply.
Blame it on a little country exiting a free-trade agreement if you want, though there is an obvious elephant in the room - not even bringing Covid into it - that is far more impactful.
Brexit led by an incompetent & dishonest donkey & his lackeys is not good, however it's not Brexit to blame for this... unless that just suits your view.
war / invasion - "special military operation" - same thing..
Blame it on a little country exiting a free-trade agreement if you want, though there is an obvious elephant in the room - not even bringing Covid into it - that is far more impactful.
Brexit led by an incompetent & dishonest donkey & his lackeys is not good, however it's not Brexit to blame for this... unless that just suits your view.
war / invasion - "special military operation" - same thing..
Fat_Dragon
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Could be worse, remember the 70's?
SmallTown
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Yup, kind of proves my point. People use covid and a war to hide behind d the failures of brexit. Its one big tragedy after another and its allowing g brexit to destroy our country. Makes me sad
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TeaCider
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Are you actually saying that Covid and the invasion of Ukraine were started to distract from Brexit?
You've gone off the deep end if you are.
SmallTown
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TeaCider
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Your post needs rewording then.
Muttley
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I'm sorry it really is Brexit that is causing most of the problems. COVID and the Ukraine War are making it worse but not much. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that everyone else is suffering (which everyone is) but we (or more accurately the Tory Government) have made everything worse from their lunge for a "hard" Brexit to their incompetent, wasteful and (possibly) criminal handling of COVID. Yes, they have reacted well to the crisis in Ukraine but that isn't going to fill plates in the poorer areas of this country. Perhaps if they hadn't wasted so much on funding their chums through the pandemic the "Magic Money Tree" that they first found when they needed shoring up by the DUP might still have a few leaves left? But the start of this and the heart of this because all the Tory policies are predicated on it is... Brexit.
You should ask them (Russia) MI6 told May that there was so much Russian interference in final result she should scrap it and re-run it. She refused.
SmallTown
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Sweden, for example is also in Europe s affected by the war. It also handled covid as badly as we did. How many food banks are there in Sweden? Or none EU Norway?
To use covid and Ukraine as an excise for our cost of living crisis is to ignore the devasting affect of brexit and ignore the gavt every other country I'm Europe has suffered covid and war and (Ukraine aside) is recovering better
To use covid and Ukraine as an excise for our cost of living crisis is to ignore the devasting affect of brexit and ignore the gavt every other country I'm Europe has suffered covid and war and (Ukraine aside) is recovering better
Andy_W
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Might be typo in the post, but to me it's clear that's not what he's saying/ means (especially with posting history).
People's ignorance of the truth cause them to use those (Covid/ war) as a sofa to hide behind though, so they don't have to face the reality that Brexit either causes most problems, or really amplifies them.
Effectively there are no real gains with Brexit (or this government) for 90% of folk, but when problems hit, it really makes them bite so much harder, and they bite hardest on those who have already been torn to shreds for years..
BillyBoyStu
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"With an annual output of £183 billion, the UK remains the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world. Our analysis debunks multiple myths, including the misconception that manufacturing jobs are poorly paid, with the average manufacturing wage being 12% higher than the whole economy."Thatcher got immersed in Reaganomics, so set about dismantling anything that could be broken up and sold off to the highest bidder. This was then replaced abroad by cheaper materials and labour. Manufacturing went to the wall. Utilities. Rail. Infrastructure. Privatisation of government services. Short term vision for quick £££££.
Country would be in a far better place if we were not simply a service provider, and actually remained an industrial player, like we used to be. Would not be so reliant on ......well, pretty much everything. So BrEXit - move out of a massive trading bloc and go it alone.......with very little to export and importing a lot. What could possibly go wrong?
https://www.makeuk.org/insights/publications/uk-manufacturing-the-facts--2022#/
Unravel_Morrison
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It's always telling when you go into these organisation's information.
Shout:
10th for Export of Goods
5th for Import of Goods
2nd for Services Trade
5th for GDP
Whisper:
33rd for GDP per Capita
ThePrisoner
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Only US, China, Germany and Japan should be ahead of UK but the Tory neo-libs destroyed the manufacturing base in line with their ideology as it gave some power to the working class. Much better to be a service economy, with the plebs in a gig economy and have physical goods made by semi-slave labour in the global south.
Littlejimmy
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Think I read somewhere that the BoE estimated that Brexit was now costing £444m a week, so we're basically £94m in the red. How's that going to affect the NHS?Have they found that 350million a week we where sending to the eu yet? I'm sure I seen it on the side of a bus somewhere.
ThePrisoner
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Is that true? If so he has demonstrated yet again that he is completely unfit to be anywhere near power.
I've just read the that the Tories are now going to legislate to 'amend' the protocol so there will be green lanes for goods not destined for the Republic.
Yes, that will totally work. Now an importer can be 100% sure he can send dodgy goods to the Republic by declaring that they aren't destined for the Republic. knowing there will be no checks. I am sure the EU will be keen to go along with this!