Just Stop

SuperStu - I am all for saving the planet and doing my little bit here and there but I then jump in a car and ruin what I have done. The trouble is, what is the alternative to oil or driving a car, is the infrastructure there to support the alternative and how is stopping someone driving past helping? I get that we are all talking about it, but I can mainly see it getting people's backs up.

A few on here have suggested that those against the stop oil movement are against protests. What a load of bollox.
 
alvez_49 said:
Stu come on man, you're great in political threads. Your responses here are making me question everything good you say on those. 😂
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:ROFLMAO: Returning to my initial (serious) point - there's a lot of weirdly angry people who seem to live their lives on the constant edge of violence. Never mind hypothetical ambulances, made up job conditions, whether you think the aims of the protesters are realistic and their methods valid... I'm simply saying it's weird to be so primed and ready to hop out your van and try to start a fight or to just press on driving your range rover into people at a moments inconvenience.
 
@Kosovo, @Priv, @Norman_Conquest - let me ask you this: If you're blocked in traffic one day by Just Stop Oil protesters, will you hop out your cars and start getting physical with them? Or will you just drive on and hope they get out the way in time? Or do you maybe, possibly deep down agree that neither of those things are a normal response?
 
SuperStu said:
@Kosovo, @Priv, @Norman_Conquest - let me ask you this: If you're blocked in traffic one day by Just Stop Oil protesters, will you hop out your cars and start getting physical with them? Or will you just drive on and hope they get out the way in time? Or do you maybe, possibly deep down agree that neither of those things are a normal response?
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You haven't answered my question about what is the alternative to oil and is the infrastructure available.
 
Headlines like this in the mail and elsewhere encourage violence against the “fanatics”

“The public fights back: Mother pleads with Just Stop Oil fanatics to let her 'take her kids to school' as commuter rips down banners and motorcyclist drives through slow march as tensions boil over during the morning rush hour”​

 
SuperStu said:
@Kosovo, @Priv, @Norman_Conquest - let me ask you this: If you're blocked in traffic one day by Just Stop Oil protesters, will you hop out your cars and start getting physical with them? Or will you just drive on and hope they get out the way in time? Or do you maybe, possibly deep down agree that neither of those things are a normal response?
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If I was trying to get to hospital for me or a loved one, I 100% would get physical with anyone blocking my way. For work no, I’d just detour and begrudgingly suck it up.

I was inconvenienced by one of their m25 shenanigans last year it just caused all the traffic to divert through nearby villages causing more congestion and more pollution. Certainly didn’t achieve anything productive other than getting protesting laws tightened.
 
SuperStu said:
@Kosovo, @Priv, @Norman_Conquest - let me ask you this: If you're blocked in traffic one day by Just Stop Oil protesters, will you hop out your cars and start getting physical with them? Or will you just drive on and hope they get out the way in time? Or do you maybe, possibly deep down agree that neither of those things are a normal response?
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I agree that getting out and starting a fight is stupid, especially if you have any sympathy/knowledge whatsoever towards the cause. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to challenge them/try to reason with them, if you don’t agree with their strategy. The ones getting out for a fight probably don’t even believe in climate change and sadly there will always be an array of opinions (however wrong some may be).

FWIW I cycle and walk everywhere, don’t drive, and don’t eat meat. But I don’t know that JSO are actually doing much good with this stuff.
 
exiledinboro said:
I thought their aim was to force the government to stop new oil licences. That's what it says on their website

Didn't realise they wanted civilisation to cease immediately

They're not protesting on roads because they want drivers to walk to work.
It's a policy of distributing the public rather than the government as it's a tactic which has historically worked. You disrupt the public which forces the government to act.

I don't think they will achieve their aim, not with this government
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Good point. The government are using it to their advantage in this case, as not enough people are behind JSO and their methods.
 
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Norman_Conquest said:
You haven't answered my question about what is the alternative to oil and is the infrastructure available.
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Didn't even know you'd asked me such a question. I don't have an answer. 🤷‍♂️ TBH the particular cause these people are advancing doesn't have any bearing on my comments or the hypothetical I asked you. Sub in the farmers alliance or petrol delivery drivers or any other protests that have ever blocked roads if it makes you feel better about it. I'm simply saying it's weird to be so eager to get violent with strangers.
 
SuperStu said:
Didn't even know you'd asked me such a question. I don't have an answer. 🤷‍♂️ TBH the particular cause these people are advancing doesn't have any bearing on my comments or the hypothetical I asked you. Sub in the farmers alliance or petrol delivery drivers or any other protests that have ever blocked roads if it makes you feel better about it. I'm simply saying it's weird to be so eager to get violent with strangers.
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What you are doing is talking bollox and trying to get a rise out of other posters without truly understanding what you are poking fun at. The question I ask you now is, are your actions any better than those who are jumping out of their cars and acting like dicks?
 
Norman_Conquest said:
What you are doing is talking bollox and trying to get a rise out of other posters without truly understanding what you are poking fun at. The question I ask you now is, are your actions any better than those who are jumping out of their cars and acting like dicks?
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:ROFLMAO: what?

Okay that one I will answer. Yes. Yes my actions (posting on a message board) are better than theirs (jumping out their van to get violent with people). As if you need that clarifying.

Honestly I don't really know what you're disagreeing with me about now. My only observation is that it's weird how angry and prone to violence a lot of people in our country are. You've described them as acting like dicks so I think you probably agree. (y)
 
SuperStu said:
:ROFLMAO: what?

Okay that one I will answer. Yes. Yes my actions (posting on a message board) are better than theirs (jumping out their van to get violent with people). As if you need that clarifying.

Honestly I don't really know what you're disagreeing with me about now. My only observation is that it's weird how angry and prone to violence a lot of people in our country are. You've described them as acting like dicks so I think you probably agree. (y)
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Maybe you need to go over and read some of your replies to other posters and how you have poked fun at them.
 
Smogonsea said:
I think we seem to have an issue with protesting in this country. If we don’t like something we just grumble about it in the pub or between ourselves but the thing we don’t like happens anyway.

We seem to be too caught up in the individual, especially in recent years. Think Thatcher beat the fight out of us and the ones who do have any fight are seen as nothing but scum bags upsetting the status quo.
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Great post. Admire the people who care enough about our world/our rights to protest. Not enough of us do and I include myself in that although over the years I have.
There is always going to be people who are going to moan and whinge about strikes/protests etc. Remember those who worked during steel strike and strikes offshore. Took whatever benefits we got though.
 
exiledinboro said:
I thought their aim was to force the government to stop new oil licences. That's what it says on their website

Didn't realise they wanted civilisation to cease immediately

They're not protesting on roads because they want drivers to walk to work.
It's a policy of distributing the public rather than the government as it's a tactic which has historically worked. You disrupt the public which forces the government to act.

NC, if you found yourself caught up in it, wouldn't be the target. They're not protesting against you as an individual

I don't think they will achieve their aim, not with this government
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What do you think no new oil licenses ends with? Spoiler... End of times.

How can you be this naive?! Look at energy by commodity stopping oil is la la land.

You should all be far more afraid of eroei going negative than climate change.

The reality is these protestors are more likely 'encouraged' by the powers that be than hated. They are useful idiots to them.

Again protest on your private jet runway, a fair target. Maybe start at the yearly G7 meeting or **** it the masters.
 
Steer said:
Why not blockade high profile people or the people who make the political decisions - such as the PM and his convoy of police that scoot around London like they own the place. But no, they block normal people, trying to earn a living, or going to a doctors appointment, or taking their kids to school - many of whom probably already agree with much of what they stand for but whom are not in a position to do anything substantial about it.
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They disrupted a large oil companies annual meeting but it didn't make the news
 
asredastheycome said:
Great post. Admire the people who care enough about our world/our rights to protest. Not enough of us do and I include myself in that although over the years I have.
There is always going to be people who are going to moan and whinge about strikes/protests etc. Remember those who worked during steel strike and strikes offshore. Took whatever benefits we got though.
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What happens when they stop drilling oil?
 
I only drive when I need to. Consequently, I’d be quite miffed if someone sat in the road. If I was on my way to work, groovy.
Whereas, if I was in my way home I’d be peeved. Not angry enough to want to hurt someone mind.
I remember an exchange I heard on tv that always makes me laugh.
Irate motorist “haven’t you get any better to do?”
Protester “what than save the fukkin world?”
 
SuperStu said:
:ROFLMAO: Returning to my initial (serious) point - there's a lot of weirdly angry people who seem to live their lives on the constant edge of violence. Never mind hypothetical ambulances, made up job conditions, whether you think the aims of the protesters are realistic and their methods valid... I'm simply saying it's weird to be so primed and ready to hop out your van and try to start a fight or to just press on driving your range rover into people at a moments inconvenience.
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It’s not made up though a lot of these what if scenarios will, if they haven’t already become a reality. It’s not wierd - what are you gonna do sit in traffic for five hours because these dead heads can’t be arsed working like the rest of us :)
 
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