Maddo constantly criticising Engel

I think if you look at his improvement over this season - he could be a real assett next season.

If he continues to improve at his current rate he becomes one of the first names on the teamsheet rather these liability arguments.
 
Aztec chimera said:
Which stats? Didn't realise they were doing stats on maddos opinions now? As for engel, you can show me any stat you want. He's still not going to convince me he is what we need at left back. Not seen enough of bangura but dear God I hope he's better than Engel
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I never men ruined maddo, you did.

You are entitled to an opinion, of course. Statistics are the only objective measure we have so I'll put faith in those rather than your opinion.
 
Merlin said:
Yep it is my opinion - the facts are that he makes very basic mistakes repeatedly, like standing off players and allowing them time to pick their spot (see the Southampton goal) trying to head out in front of goal instead of to the side or behind for a corner (see Coventry at home) he lacks pace and gets regularly skinned when he’s one on one, and when a player can’t be reliably depended on to pass to a team mate from two to five yards then i don’t think that player should be a regular starter for us
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I'll say the same to you merlin. You are measurably wrong.
 
Ash88 said:
If Engel had a bald head, a beard, and made a few theatrical tackles - he'd have been MOTM today.

Having an opinion of a player after 2-3 games and then just sticking to that opinion throughout the season no matter what is mind blowing.

The only mistake he made today... was losing the ball to Hutchinson... He then out paced him and put in a last ditch block in the box... after Hutchinson left Clarke standing still.
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Clarke committed and completely sold himself
 
He’s not as good as Giles. I actually don’t mind Engel tbh but I think the reason he gets stick is because he’s being judged against the player who played that role last season. I don’t really see Engel being a first-choice player in a promotion-winning team but you never know. I think we concede far, far too many goals and he’s a big part of that back-line. I do like his attitude though and would say he’s definitely got better across the season. I’m just not sure he’s really good enough for where we want to go.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
He’s not as good as Giles. I actually don’t mind Engel tbh but I think the reason he gets stick is because he’s being judged against the player who played that role last season. I don’t really see Engel being a first-choice player in a promotion-winning team but you never know. I think we concede far, far too many goals and he’s a big part of that back-line. I do like his attitude though and would say he’s definitely got better across the season. I’m just not sure he’s really good enough for where we want to go.
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Except we’ve only conceded 5 in the last 9, and are showing improvements since we’ve started to have a more settled team.
Also people remember Giles from last season when we had Akpom etc. Engel’s stats have been better than Giles have been at Hull this year
And also baring assists, Engel is statistically ahead of Giles pretty much from last year as well.
 
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I haven’t noticed Maddo’s criticism of Engel particularly in the games I’ve listened to him - if he is maybe it’s because he’s an ex pro and knows what he’s talking about
 
Engels performance in the first half v bottom of the table Sheff Wed at Hillsborough will go down as one of the worst ever individual performances witnessed by anyone who seen that game. Dragged off at HT, and in reality it could have been after half an hour. He was genuinely that bad and looked nowhere near Championship standard.

What I find infuriating at the moment are people who think he is doing well or has improved. He hasn’t. It’s just he isn’t as poor as we first thought. That does not mean he has done well and is nowhere near the standard for a team with ambitions of promotion. Questions need to be asked of the recruitment team how we have signed 3 players in one position (left backs) this season and not a single one is decent. If fact you could say they got progressively worse depending on your opinion.

If we are seriously looking to challenge for promotion next season players like Engel, Fry, Barlaser and Azaz need to be nowhere near first team regulars.
 
I said on numerous times today that Engel is the wrong side of his man .
He also gets pulled out of position, and is oblivious to his man in the LB / RW position.
Can't fault his attitude, but as a LB , you mark your man , he marks an area , and let's his man have too much time .
I also don't like the way he puts his hands behind his back every time a player attacks him?
Can he put it right ? Who knows , going forward he is ok , defending he is naive, and every week clubs see him as the weakness and exploit it.
 
Andybarca said:
Except we’ve only conceded 5 in the last 9, and are showing improvements since we’ve started to have a more settled team.
Also people remember Giles from last season when we had Akpom etc. Engel’s stats have been better than Giles have been at Hull this year
And also baring assists, Engel is statistically ahead of Giles pretty much from last year as well.
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That's an awful argument after the first paragraph.

I think Engel's been poor but I'm open minded that he might come good next season. He and Giles are poor defenders but Giles was way ahead in attacking ability and his effect on the team. He was hugely instrumental in our success last season.
 
Engel was at fault for their goal, jumped in for a tackle he was never gonna win, they subsequently won the corner and scored. He is NOWEHERE near good enough for a team who wants to challenge for promotion.

The incident you mention, yes clarke was at fault, and Engel did make a great block, however, Engel has to do better initially when The player is outside of the box, he is weak as pi$$.

I will be gutted if Engel is our first choice LB next season
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
Engel was at fault for their goal, jumped in for a tackle he was never gonna win, they subsequently won the corner and scored. He is NOWEHERE near good enough for a team who wants to challenge for promotion.

The incident you mention, yes clarke was at fault, and Engel did make a great block, however, Engel has to do better initially when The player is outside of the box, he is weak as pi$$.

I will be gutted if Engel is our first choice LB next season
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Exactly this - Engel ended up having to make a desperate last ditch block because he got beat in the first place. I don’t know why people are missing this type of thing !
 
Johngannonsunderpants said:
That's an awful argument after the first paragraph.

I think Engel's been poor but I'm open minded that he might come good next season. He and Giles are poor defenders but Giles was way ahead in attacking ability and his effect on the team. He was hugely instrumental in our success last season.
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I just don’t get the ‘they are both poor defenders’ line Engel had 4 tackles, 2 interceptions, 2 blocks and 2 clearances today. Averages the most tackles a game and the most interceptions of anyone who has played more than 4 games. He’s a much better defender than Giles.

No doubting Giles’s contribution to our attacking play but Engel offers much more defensively
 
Merlin said:
I haven’t noticed Maddo’s criticism of Engel particularly in the games I’ve listened to him - if he is maybe it’s because he’s an ex pro and knows what he’s talking about
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I didn't notice any criticism in yesterday's game barring 2 poor pass choices and they were poor.

Maddo, regardless of whether your agree or disagree with his comments is no expert but he doesn't overly criticise any of our players.
 
Andybarca said:
I just don’t get the ‘they are both poor defenders’ line Engel had 4 tackles, 2 interceptions, 2 blocks and 2 clearances today. Averages the most tackles a game and the most interceptions of anyone who has played more than 4 games. He’s a much better defender than Giles.

No doubting Giles’s contribution to our attacking play but Engel offers much more defensively
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“If i have to make a tackle then I’ve already made a mistake” Paolo Maldini. The reason Engel has to make lots of tackles is he’s trying to make up for mistakes 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
Merlin said:
Exactly this - Engel ended up having to make a desperate last ditch block because he got beat in the first place. I don’t know why people are missing this type of thing !
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Nobody is missing it merlin.

It's just odd listening to people's opinions when the facts just don't line up with their opinion.

For quite some time now engel has statistically been one of our better players in every match he plays. If I saw one game where his stats were good but he was poor I would assume the stats were measuring performance on a skewed way but game after game different sites using different metrics have Engel as one of our better players and when compared to fullbacks in the division, usually in the top 80 to 95 percentile.

Your bias is colouring all the good stuff he does.
 
Laughing said:
I'll say the same to you merlin. You are measurably wrong.
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Wasn’t it you who very recently said, statistics are useful, but it is how they are interpreted that is key.
People these days can roll out umpteen statistics about so many things.
All of us are guilty of Confirmation Bias at times. All of us me included.
We nowadays use often abstract stats to support our views.
Quicksilvera, Ayton Mews and others will use stats to support particular players who others watch with ongoing frustration at what they perceive as obvious weakness.
It is differing opinions formed by us all watching most if not all of the matches.
Data is fine, it can be manipulated to provide information, which is better, but insight is key.
People throw a lot of data about as though it is insight and proof of their stance.
 
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