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I do enjoy the fact that maddo is just learning english now. He isn't going to give you insightful, thought provoking analysis. He will make you smile from time to time though.
Maddo constantly criticising Engel
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I like him. He makes me giggle. He said that Ayling had 'completely nothing on' the other week. That got me thinking about the advantages and disadvantages of playing football without any clothes on. Is there anything in the rules that specifically states that you can't play naked? If all our players had gone out on to the pitch with completely nothing on for the Hull game it would have really freaked them out and we might have got the three points we were all hoping for. Pretty sure Maddo said that Greenwood was 'a good shotter' yesterday. I enjoyed that one too.
Just noticed that Davies was voted LB in the Championship team of the season, so not really a bad comparison
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He was picked because he plays for the team top of the division and he is there best full back.
That was the complaint about engel. He isn't good enough for a team chasing autos.
indeedido
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The club must be bracing themselves I’d have thought. Most of the Premier League must be about to bid tens of millions for Engel based on this super “data”. How can we possibly hold onto him?
Nobody will bid for him in reality because he is a willing lad who is simply not very good.
If Engel really is one of our best players then we have bigger problems than I thought.
Nobody will bid for him in reality because he is a willing lad who is simply not very good.
If Engel really is one of our best players then we have bigger problems than I thought.
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You could refute the evidence and provide your own evidence indeedio. That would add to the debate. Not sure your sarcasm adds anything.
For example you could successfully argue that 1 on 1 engel is terrible and given the way we play that's a big problem.
What's more likely to be incorrect....
1) Real data from multiple websites + Michael Carrick's opinion based on the fact Engel has played more games than any other player this season + the opinion of football analysts who the club probably pay a lot of money for...
2) You.
indeedido
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But it’s not just me is it.
And if Engel was such a player then why on earth sign your 4th left back of the season in January with Thomas?
Quicksilvera
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He has to be right all the time, even though he’s most definitely wrong here.
It's a number of fans - but the same concept applies...
People who know what they're talking about (Carrick + our football analysts) are consistently picking him to play ahead of other players.
The stats/data also back up that he's one of the top performance full-backs in the league for most attributes.
Saying we signed our 4th full back is clutching.... you're including Hayden Coulson in that to try and make an irrelevant point.
He was starting before Engel had even signed for us... include Bilongo as a 5th if you want? He was on the bench in those two games.
We signed another full back because Bangura and Dijksteel were both out injured long term and Smith is out of the season...
We have Howson/RVDB who can play RB - We don't have anyone who can play on the left, so if Engel got injured we'd have been in trouble.... That's why we signed Thomas.
Frozen Horse
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We signed another LB for back up.
Bangura had a long term injury. Coulson had left the club. It's not like Thompson has come in and replaced Engel, is it?
I do think there's a risk of confirmation bias here. Bringing in a back up LB is pretty flimsy argument, and only carries any weight if you've already made your mind up. Otherwise, it's not even evidence.
Bangura had a long term injury. Coulson had left the club. It's not like Thompson has come in and replaced Engel, is it?
I do think there's a risk of confirmation bias here. Bringing in a back up LB is pretty flimsy argument, and only carries any weight if you've already made your mind up. Otherwise, it's not even evidence.
Carrick and our backroom staff watch him every game and think he's good enough.
The real stats on his performances - not just the opinion of fans - also back up that he is good enough.
The problem most fans have are the stats he isn't good at are the "exciting stats" (progressive carries and take ons)- the stats the likes of Ryan Giles and George Friend would have been good at...
... Engel does all the boring stuff you don't notice right, and based on the real stats, he's one of the best in the league at it (tackles, interceptions, blocks, aerials).
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If he was as bad as some fans believe, they could easily evidence that opinion. That they are not even bothering to address this, probably, tells us that their minds are made up and that bias will not be changed.
It's not even an interesting debate anymore. One side saying he is not good enough, the other side providing evidence that he is. It's a pointless debate without evidence on both sides.
Totally agree - I said it earlier in the thread - Engel had a terrible first two games - Most fans put a "not good enough" stamp on him after those two games, which is understandable.
I'll be the first to admit I put a "not good enough" stamp on Akpom before last season started.
The difference is, as soon as Akpom proved he was good enough, my opinion changed and I took the stamp off. I also learnt my lesson and haven't stamped anyone else (yet).
It's time these fans took their stamps off Engel.
Engel has directly contributed to a large number of goals conceded
The is due to his decision making, positioning, loosing a one on one
Where are these stats for those points highlighted?
Stats are important but are not a direct correlation to success
I understand football, I watch a lot of football and I don’t believe Engel is good enough for what we want to achieve, fans will like him as a person and his work rate which can’t be doubted, but he’s not getting us promoted from the championship and that’s all that matters
The is due to his decision making, positioning, loosing a one on one
Where are these stats for those points highlighted?
Stats are important but are not a direct correlation to success
I understand football, I watch a lot of football and I don’t believe Engel is good enough for what we want to achieve, fans will like him as a person and his work rate which can’t be doubted, but he’s not getting us promoted from the championship and that’s all that matters
indeedido
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We have signed 2 LB’s since we signed him as our most expensive defensive recruit.
Bangura was selected once settled in, then got injured.
Thomas was then signed and picked and did not play well in a struggling team, being then dropped, but brought back.
To say Carrick is wedded to Engel is barmy given what his options have actually been.
It will be interesting to see what Engel is doing next season.
Bangura was selected once settled in, then got injured.
Thomas was then signed and picked and did not play well in a struggling team, being then dropped, but brought back.
To say Carrick is wedded to Engel is barmy given what his options have actually been.
It will be interesting to see what Engel is doing next season.
You've just plucked a lot of those statements from thin air...
Bangura started 1 game (Blackburn away) in September when Engel took a knock - Engel wasn't on the bench.
He didn't start again until 2 games in November - Engel was injured - Coulson was on the bench.
Engel had already reclaimed his place (vs. Coventry 1st Jan) before Bangura got injured (vs. Chelsea 9th Jan).
Bangura started 1 game (Blackburn away) in September when Engel took a knock - Engel wasn't on the bench.
He didn't start again until 2 games in November - Engel was injured - Coulson was on the bench.
Engel had already reclaimed his place (vs. Coventry 1st Jan) before Bangura got injured (vs. Chelsea 9th Jan).
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Go find those stats Raul. how many goals we have conceded due to Engels failings. The stats are there I am sure.