Mandatory Jabs for NHS workers

I agree with tiler on this, it's a bad idea specifically because of chronic shortages and Johnsons behaviour whilst visiting a hospital.

There is a wider issue I have with imposing vaccinations on people but that is probably less of an issue for me given where we are and the profession in question.
 
You would be surprised how many registrars and consultants haven't had the jab, certainly in Manchester, to the consternation and frustration of their colleagues.
 
Laughing said:
If only 5% of NHS workers choose not to and leave their job, we are 65,000 highly trained professional's down and people die. Still think this is a good idea?
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I'd hope that in a community of trained people, that have seen death on a regular basis then less than 5% of people will say no to the vaccine.

I would also suspect most that do are more clerical than medical professionals, and they're two a penny.
 
Laughing said:
If only 5% of NHS workers choose not to and leave their job, we are 65,000 highly trained professional's down and people die. Still think this is a good idea?
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Yeah.

I wouldn't trust anyone who works in the NHS that's still somehow so anti-vaccine that they'd rather lose their job than do the right thing and get vaccinated.
They'll have seen first hand the problems that Covid has caused this country in the last 2 years.

They're idiots.
 
BoroMart said:
I'd hope that in a community of trained people, that have seen death on a regular basis then less than 5% of people will say no to the vaccine.

I would also suspect most that do are more clerical than medical professionals, and they're two a penny.
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Thats a big assumption Mart. the general uptake of the vaccine is about 90%, of those who have been offered. I assumed more medical professionals would be more likely to get vaccinated so used 5%.

To assume that those are all cleaners.. Well you might be right, you implement the law and you loose 50,000 doctors.

Does anyone know the vaccine uptake amongst doctors and nurses? I am guessing not, but some laud this as a good idea without for a second considering the impact on the staff levels. If Johnson goes ahead with this and people die, the same folks on here will be lambasting him for the policy, not lauding it.
 
BoroMart said:
I would also suspect most that do are more clerical than medical professionals, and they're two a penny.
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I think it applies to "front line" workers so not sure if that includes clerical.

I have to go into hospital on Thursday for some treatment. Despite having had 3 doses of the vaccine I had to have a covid test yesterday and isolate until Thursday to be allowed to attend. This is the 3rd time I've had to do this and I'll have to do it again in another 2 weeks. So why should these health "professionals" be allowed to rock up to work day after day un-tested and un-vaccinated putting colleagues and patients at risk. As already said, they have seen the devastating affect of covid first hand.

Also, the fact that so many are un-vaccinated is an ongoing contributor to staff shortages. It is absolutely the right thing to do.
 
TeaCider said:
Yeah.

I wouldn't trust anyone who works in the NHS that's still somehow so anti-vaccine that they'd rather lose their job than do the right thing and get vaccinated.
They'll have seen first hand the problems that Covid has caused this country in the last 2 years.

They're idiots.
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An interesting take there TC. A clinical professional is an idiot, if their opinion doesn't align with yours? An opinion you got, I assume from reading stuff online. Wouldn't you prefer to understand their reasoning before calling them idiots.

As for not trusting them, I wonder how loudly you would cry that if you were dying and needed medical assistance.
Konrad_the_Barbarian said:
I think it applies to "front line" workers so not sure if that includes clerical.

I have to go into hospital on Thursday for some treatment. Despite having had 3 doses of the vaccine I had to have a covid test yesterday and isolate until Thursday to be allowed to attend. This is the 3rd time I've had to do this and I'll have to do it again in another 2 weeks. So why should these health "professionals" be allowed to rock up to work day after day un-tested and un-vaccinated putting colleagues and patients at risk. As already said, they have seen the devastating affect of covid first hand.

Also, the fact that so many are un-vaccinated is an ongoing contributor to staff shortages. It is absolutely the right thing to do.
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No one mentioned untested!
 
Laughing said:
An interesting take there TC. A clinical professional is an idiot, if their opinion doesn't align with yours? An opinion you got, I assume from reading stuff online. Wouldn't you prefer to understand their reasoning before calling them idiots.

As for not trusting them, I wonder how loudly you would cry that if you were dying and needed medical assistance.

No one mentioned untested!
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So how often are they tested. I'm tested every time I need to go in. Pretty sure they're not.
 
Laughing said:
An interesting take there TC. A clinical professional is an idiot, if their opinion doesn't align with yours? An opinion you got, I assume from reading stuff online. Wouldn't you prefer to understand their reasoning before calling them idiots.

As for not trusting them, I wonder how loudly you would cry that if you were dying and needed medical assistance.
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Correct, they'd be an idiot if they work as a medical professional and are anti-vaccine.

I have a higher level of tolerance for people who are anti-vaccine who don't work in medicine as it's not their area of expertise, even though they're still wrong, but anyone refusing a vaccine who works for the NHS has absolutely no excuse.

I'm sure there'd be thousands of staff who weren't anti-vaccine that could help.
I'll try my best not to start dying before April just in case.
 
Konrad_the_Barbarian said:
So how often are they tested. I'm tested every time I need to go in. Pretty sure they're not.
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No idea, but that isn't the discussion here Konrad. The discussion is very specifically around mandatory vaccination. For the record I think, vaccinated or not, they should be regularly tested.
 
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