Mike Dean
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Johnny Vincents Motorbike
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His received death threats.
for me its VAR thats putting refs under pressure - the rules and interpretations appear to change on a game by game basis.
its making a bad situation worse.
Historically Refs have made errors, we all do , we're human, its part and parcel of a very human game.
for me its VAR thats putting refs under pressure - the rules and interpretations appear to change on a game by game basis.
its making a bad situation worse.
Historically Refs have made errors, we all do , we're human, its part and parcel of a very human game.
HolgateCorner
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I think the VAR is incidental to how bad the refs are.
It’s simply showing up what they have been getting away with for years, particularly the marginal decisions always going in favour of the biggest clubs.
No wonder they are making it difficult.
It’s simply showing up what they have been getting away with for years, particularly the marginal decisions always going in favour of the biggest clubs.
No wonder they are making it difficult.
Apparently Lee Mason told him to look at the clenched fist. I watched the replay as many times as they showed it (which was plenty) and it looked nothing like a clenched fist to me!
Same_as_before
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Referees have been wrong since day one. It's a game that's all.
The stupidest thing about this one for me is that he watched it so many times. He clearly wasn't convinced, so SURELY you therefore don't give it? Afterwards if questioned say that it wasn't clear enough that it was dangerous, or intentional, so you gave the player the benefit of the doubt. By being so unsure and then giving it, you're setting yourself up for trouble.
He was looking at it real time, and hadn't even gone for a yellow card.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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It's been a long time coming (potential sacking, not the death threats) for Mike Dean. Awful referee with a seemingly worse attitude when it comes to speak with the players or management.
If they're going to continue with VAR, I think it's only fair they make them come out after the game to explain decisions. Tbh, I've never understood why they don't already, everyone else in the game does so why don't the officials?
If they're going to continue with VAR, I think it's only fair they make them come out after the game to explain decisions. Tbh, I've never understood why they don't already, everyone else in the game does so why don't the officials?
LowMoorBoro
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I agree this is a strange one, if the VAR official had said nothing then i guess there’s no red card. VAR telling Dean to check it puts the doubt, if that’s the case then VAR is hindering the referee here?
LowMoorBoro
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Hearing the conversation between the referee and the VAR official might help to clear things up.
weemoby
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I watched the game live, making it the first Premier League game I've seen in ages.
I completely agree with you Cuthbert (and the other posters) - Dean looked at the footage many many time, the footage was a clear 'replay' of what happened (there were no obstructions to block the view of the incident).
I thought to myself: "Well, he's watched this footage loads of times so obviously he has his doubts therefore no red card, just get on with the game there's no time left".
To say I was surprised when he eventually deemed it a red card was an understatement. The utilisation of VAR is farcical at the moment and I am very glad it isn't used below the top flight!
Marvanelli
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There was only one official that would've given Soucek a red card - and that was the man himself Mike Dean.
As soon as Lee Mason signalled him to go to the screen to have a look at the replay, I know there and then he was going to send Soucek off. Its the Mike Dean Show. He has to be the centre of attention every time he officiates a game.
It was a comical decision to send him off and the FA are lucky it was so late in the game that the decision didn't affect the outcome of the result otherwise there'd be even more uproar.
It's been correctly rescinded too.
I don't agree with the death threats Mike Dean has received mind. Anyone and everyone makes mistakes, but sending Soucek off certainly doesn't warrant death threats. Those who have sent him threats are complete scumbags.
As soon as Lee Mason signalled him to go to the screen to have a look at the replay, I know there and then he was going to send Soucek off. Its the Mike Dean Show. He has to be the centre of attention every time he officiates a game.
It was a comical decision to send him off and the FA are lucky it was so late in the game that the decision didn't affect the outcome of the result otherwise there'd be even more uproar.
It's been correctly rescinded too.
I don't agree with the death threats Mike Dean has received mind. Anyone and everyone makes mistakes, but sending Soucek off certainly doesn't warrant death threats. Those who have sent him threats are complete scumbags.
HolgateCorner
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You are right and there’s a few other things you could add to that list.
I have a bit of an obsession with the Boro and football in general but I think the game is in real trouble at the top level and is in a massive spiral of decline.
BobUpnDown
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very poor decision imho, the fact he watched the replay over & over again to get to his decision just makes it even worse - not deliberate & not violent, both needed for a 'violent conduct' straight red..
He was looking straight at it as it happened & blew the whistle immediately - death threats are out of order: it's grown men chasing a ball around a pitch, for seasonal bragging rights - football has implemented VAR so badly it's not true & apparently they are about to louse up the concussion subs by not looking at how Rugby do it.
He was looking straight at it as it happened & blew the whistle immediately - death threats are out of order: it's grown men chasing a ball around a pitch, for seasonal bragging rights - football has implemented VAR so badly it's not true & apparently they are about to louse up the concussion subs by not looking at how Rugby do it.
Jedi boro
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Our refs have been shocking for years remember self styled super ref Graham poll issuing three yellows at the World Cup just imagine if that was an Africa or Asian ref...
English refs are not highly regarded at all across Europe.
In 2019 For the first time in a decade, four Premier League clubs have reached the last eight of Europe’s elite competition, yet not a single fixture in the round of 16 was presided over by an English or British referee.
add to this no English ref selected for the 2018 World Cup in Russia and it’s clear that there is an issue.
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chickenrunner
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I'll be long dead by then so can you tell me if any of them are the Boro?
Edit: Pity it was only a typo thought you'd turned into Mystic Zorro.
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futureboy
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I've said it a thousand times (albeit not on here):
VAR should be used like reviews in cricket. Let's say one review per match, per team. The team decides when to use their review for a clear and obvious error - like Fry taking a kick to the face, or Teddy Sheringham's goal which never crossed the line, or Jacob Butterfield's non-goal which did cross the line, or Darius Henderson's handball, or Ronaldo's dive over Schwarzer, or Morsy's handball against Luton, or... well, you get my point. VAR is never instigated by the officials - they call it as they see it, unless the team decides to use their one review to question a massive decision.
VAR should be used like reviews in cricket. Let's say one review per match, per team. The team decides when to use their review for a clear and obvious error - like Fry taking a kick to the face, or Teddy Sheringham's goal which never crossed the line, or Jacob Butterfield's non-goal which did cross the line, or Darius Henderson's handball, or Ronaldo's dive over Schwarzer, or Morsy's handball against Luton, or... well, you get my point. VAR is never instigated by the officials - they call it as they see it, unless the team decides to use their one review to question a massive decision.
BoroMart
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He did get struck in the eye with an elbow, regardless if it was an accident. But yes, Dean had enough replays to see it was an accident. But don't wish him to get demoted, because we will end up with him and get Bolasie sent off for farting in the general direction of an opposition defender.