Muniz

I think while we're in the Championship we'll not spend - much - money, certainly not £15m on a striker again. The financial landscape in football has changed, only the PL clubs have the TV financial resource to spend big... with new loan rules coming in over the next few seasons: 8 loans in / out this season, 7 next & then 6 the following.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...ns-chelsea-man-city-liverpool-players-1413714

I can see PL clubs not keeping on 100's of U23 squad players when their contracts end & them becoming available to the lower leagues, so no point risking millions - as we have repeatedly seen.

As for Muniz, I hope Fulham can get someone in - I thought they had - & we can, if the reports are accurate, get him signed up by Friday.. plus a couple of others.
 
It seems that the penny has dropped and league clubs, other than those with parachute payments are spending within their means. Likewise, clubs that look to sell players can only really demand top money if premier league clubs come in for their players. That gives me a little hope that Gyorkeres might still happen. If a premier league club does not come in for him and Coventry need money to help finance their squad a bid of £8m might be enough. I agree that we wont see us spending 8 figure sums again whilst we are a championship side.
 
Buying doesn't guarantee anything long term. If we buy we are stuck in the market of players that probably aren't good enough for the Premier League. If we loan players and get promoted them next season we have capacity to add PL quality players.
But the Boro's model should be buying sensibly. Someone like Crooks. Bola and Dijksteel. They probably cost us about £4m combined. The players are out there. It's about finding them, which is why we've appointed a Head of Football and restructured the recruitment side of things.

And the danger of what you say is thinking that we have to buy 'Premier League quality' players if and/or when we get promoted. It's not like that IMO. Quite a few clubs have gone up with players who nobody would've put in that bracket but their teams had a structure that allowed a lot of them to thrive at a higher level. Even back to Southampton. Bournemouth and Brentford were and are packed with them. Swansea, Sheffield United. Wolves. There'll be other I've missed. But it's about being as smart as you can be with your recruitment.

Part of the reason we went for Wilder is that his football can work in the division above, provided you have the right personnel to play it. It doesn't require a whole team rebuild, £70m worth of new players, drastic overhauls. Players like McGoldrick, Fleck, Stevens, Norwood, Baldock, O'Connell and others thrived under him and were all picked up for modest sums. Part of the reason Wilder, Scott et al have been brought in is to do the same with us, not base a team around half a dozen loan signings.

Just my opinion though, obvs.
 
That’s true but I think strikers are different as the key strikers in this league normally cost money. Very few novices come could up top in this league.

Look at Toney cost 10m but he got Brentford up.

I think our buying model works in others areas but strikers you need proven quality.
 
That’s rubbish as Chris wilder wouldn’t be here if we had no money it’s that simple.

No way he’d put his reputation on the line without the means to strengthen.

We do have money but only for the right players.
I agree and there's a common misconception that 'spending money = transfer fees'.

I'll guarantee that all the loan signings will not be cheap deals, both in terms of lain fees and salaries.
 
That’s true but I think strikers are different as the key strikers in this league normally cost money. Very few novices come could up top in this league.

Look at Toney cost 10m but he got Brentford up.

I think our buying model works in others areas but strikers you need proven quality.
Pukki - free transfer
Armstrong - 1.75 million
Weimann - undisclosed but will be buttons
Piroe - 1 million rising to 2 million
Lucas Jaoa - undisclosed will be buttons.
 
Lucas Jaoa - undisclosed will be buttons.

Have you seen the cost of buttons these days? o_O

But the Boro's model should be buying sensibly. Someone like Crooks. Bola and Dijksteel. They probably cost us about £4m combined. The players are out there. It's about finding them, which is why we've appointed a Head of Football and restructured the recruitment side of things.

Agreed. I also think there is value to be had in terms of the solid, aging pro. Bamba and Peltier came in last season and added useful depth. I assume we're looking for Smith to do the same this year.
 
But the Boro's model should be buying sensibly. Someone like Crooks. Bola and Dijksteel. They probably cost us about £4m combined. The players are out there. It's about finding them, which is why we've appointed a Head of Football and restructured the recruitment side of things.

And the danger of what you say is thinking that we have to buy 'Premier League quality' players if and/or when we get promoted. It's not like that IMO. Quite a few clubs have gone up with players who nobody would've put in that bracket but their teams had a structure that allowed a lot of them to thrive at a higher level. Even back to Southampton. Bournemouth and Brentford were and are packed with them. Swansea, Sheffield United. Wolves. There'll be other I've missed. But it's about being as smart as you can be with your recruitment.

Part of the reason we went for Wilder is that his football can work in the division above, provided you have the right personnel to play it. It doesn't require a whole team rebuild, £70m worth of new players, drastic overhauls. Players like McGoldrick, Fleck, Stevens, Norwood, Baldock, O'Connell and others thrived under him and were all picked up for modest sums. Part of the reason Wilder, Scott et al have been brought in is to do the same with us, not base a team around half a dozen loan signings.

Just my opinion though, obvs.
That’s a fair point but the clubs you quoted seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Even with heavy investment the cubs that went up last year will all start as favs to come straight back down. Such is the gulf now. Sadly the 3 Boro players you mentioned would probably also struggle to make the jump up. I would seriously hope they could but the fact Prem clubs are only sniffing round Tav and possibly Fry would suggest wholesale changes would be needed to avoid the yo-yo. obviously that will be a nice problem to have…
 
I think the Delap bid was rejected?
I don't know much about Mara; has he signed, and is he a first team prospect for this season, or one for the future? It will make a difference on their willingness to offload.
 
Emnes might have come good by now
Nope he hasn’t scored for 5 years his most recent failures being not making it at Vancouver whitecaps and then failing miserably at Serie C side Ravenna who subsequently got relegated to Serie D.
 
I think while we're in the Championship we'll not spend - much - money, certainly not £15m on a striker again. The financial landscape in football has changed, only the PL clubs have the TV financial resource to spend big... with new loan rules coming in over the next few seasons: 8 loans in / out this season, 7 next & then 6 the following.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...ns-chelsea-man-city-liverpool-players-1413714

I can see PL clubs not keeping on 100's of U23 squad players when their contracts end & them becoming available to the lower leagues, so no point risking millions - as we have repeatedly seen.

As for Muniz, I hope Fulham can get someone in - I thought they had - & we can, if the reports are accurate, get him signed up by Friday.. plus a couple of others.
When we went to the premier league under Aurora we wasted money on rubbish players , barring negredo and maybe de roon the rest were rubbish, wilder is a better manager than aitor and won’t be pushed into just signing anyone for the sake of it, he knows what he needs and I’m sure he’ll get it right.
 
Nope he hasn’t scored for 5 years his most recent failures being not making it at Vancouver whitecaps and then failing miserably at Serie C side Ravenna who subsequently got relegated to Serie D.
Sounds like our type of striker
 
That’s a fair point but the clubs you quoted seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Even with heavy investment the cubs that went up last year will all start as favs to come straight back down. Such is the gulf now. Sadly the 3 Boro players you mentioned would probably also struggle to make the jump up. I would seriously hope they could but the fact Prem clubs are only sniffing round Tav and possibly Fry would suggest wholesale changes would be needed to avoid the yo-yo. obviously that will be a nice problem to have…
But on the other hand, how many Premier League clubs would've been sniffing around the players that make up the majority of the squads at Brighton, Sheffield United, Swansea, Brentford, Wolves, Bournemouth, Burnley before they went up and established themselves or at least made a real impact? Barely any. Like when Liverpool ransacked Southampton for Lallana, Lovren and Lambert and then seemed surprised when they never produced the same form or even settled(Lallana did much later, long after he'd joined).

Because they're just snapping up players without a real care about what they're going to do with them, whereas Southampton had devised a clear playing structure and identified and signed or developed players and characters to play to that system.

This is what progressive clubs are doing and it's what the Boro should be doing. There's a sense they're trying to go that way but stacking a team with half a dozen loan players is just kicking the can down the road IMO. You're back where you started in a year's time. And yes, you could've signed them all permanently and been saddled with contracts and whatnot but on the other hand you're still having to spend that money on more loans and/or signings when the time comes. Every summer will be 10, 11, 12 out and 10, 11, 12 in.

Wilder has a set way of playing and wants a specific sort of player to play it. That'll be the same next summer as well. Wilder won't change. I think maybe a 'promotion at all costs' mentality means we just end up looking for quick fixes, even after making a fuss about how we're going to go in a different or more sustainable direction. We should be developing the squad under this manager and his staff IMO and be looking to spend our money on players who will be here for the long term. The world is packed with good, hungry footballers. We might have to look further than London Colney or Parsons Green to find them.

I can't really see the point of having a state of the art recruitment department, headed up by a respected Head of Football, with a focus on developing a thread that runs right through the club - something Wilder has talked about a few times - only to then go out and sign six lads on loan deals. I don't really see how or why you'd need a whole department, the creation of a new position in the football club, to identify that the goalkeeper on Manchester City's bench is probably really good and we should sign him on loan. Or that Arsenal's youth and reserve teams are worth keeping an eye on. Surely those things are a given.

Where is the creativity, the originality, the actual scouting and unearthing? If we're going to raid Manchester City's bench or sniff around for the crumbs from other 'big' clubs then you might as well spend Kieran Scott's wages on that, surely, and just scrap the idea of creating a 'golden thread' and accept that we'll maybe go up at some point and probably come straight back down. If you're doing a dozen loans surely you don't need a Head of Football or a massive recruitment team. Just a bloke in London looking for the next Isaiah Jones.
 
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The issue with so many loans is that next summer we'll be in the same position, irrespective of which division we're in. We'd need a goalkeeper, a left wing back and at least two strikers on top of what we'd ordinarily do in a summer window.

Kieran Scott has been Head of Football for almost a year now so at least *some* of the signings we make in the next few weeks should reflect that, in that they're a certain profile of player that fits into the team structure and is tied down to a longer-term contract. All we've done so far is add Roberts and Lenihan to the core of permanent players.

I don't mind the odd loan deal but two feels like enough really, otherwise we're just in this constant state of rebuild and patching up. I was under the impression that the recruitment side of the club had been rebooted and reorganised to try and make sure we're unearthing our own players ahead of competitors and rivals rather than just trawling through the Premier League squads to pick up bits and pieces.

It was clear last summer that the club NEEDED at least two good strikers. We also needed a central defender and a left-footed central defender, a left full/wing back, a midfielder. One year later and we've added Lenihan and filled two of those spots with loan signings. We still need the rest. This is after the departure of Payero so you'd factor that in as well. It's fascinating that the gaps in our squad have existed for years and we've never properly filled them. We've never had a balanced team or squad since the two full years under Karanka, prior to going up.

It's mad, when you think about it. So much money spent and the same issues remain, six years and five managers later.
This has been my biggest frustration in recent years - managers' being left with unbalanced squads.

It was really encouraging recently to read what Wilder had said regarding him wanting a LCB bringing in, because he doesn't do square pegs in round holes. He mentioned that he'd stressed this to the club.

I am concerned however that after being linked with several left-footed CBs, things have gone quiet on that front. I really hope we don't find ourselves in a situation where we have to play McNair or Fry there. Bola apparently did well the other night but didn't Wilder come out and say he doesnt fancy him playing in that role permanently?
 
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