New Season Tickets on sale for 2024/25

My ST I think has gone up by £113 since 2018/19? (£397 to £510).

However I got £70? back one season (2020) and I think paid nothing in 2020/21 but got all the games free online which must be worth something? or did I pay and get the games free I honestly can't remember the finer details, but I didn't spend much in Covid with MFC.

Most ST holders must have got something similar, but no one has mentioned it. In effect I have used that the fund the recent increases. Although I don't agree with this years increase.
 
Nano said:
I'm sure the foundation does some great stuff and does have a positive impact but it's not something I know a huge amount about. I'm not sure how it relates to my post either. I also assume it's a separate entity altogether and not funded by the club but by donations. I.e. it's not something that would justify ticket prices being charged at a premium to cover.
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The Club provide some of its funding and resources. They also run the matchday lottery for it. The Foundation is part of the football club.

In East Cleveland there used to be a free monthly paper and the Boro Foundation paid for a 4 page supplement inside which explained what they had to offer in East Cleveland, such as free fitness classes, free numeracy and literacy, free bus to the Riverside. At Eston there is the Herlingshaw? Centre - maybe others can explain what happens there.

To me this shows the club puts something back into local communities and the club does have some ethical values. Sometimes they get something back and sometimes they don't. When I pay for ST or buy a Boro lottery ticket I know some of it goes to good causes.
 
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft said:
People always say that and bring up how much Gibson puts into the club. Don't get me wrong - I'm grateful for the money he does put in. But it's his decisions at times which have caused us to lose as much money as we do. He picks the managers. He appoints staff in other roles. And some of his choices of employees is what causes us to lose as much as we do. So many poor management choices in recent times. I get that nothing is guaranteed in sport but he's made some shocking decisions in recent years which have set the club back financially significantly all through his picks of managers.

It's OK saying we need x to compete. But we only need as much as we do as we make bad choices. Other clubs manage promotion pushes usually on a lower budget than we do.
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Some interesting points - we have certainly gone through a lot of managers, but thats the Championship isn't it - 12 to 18 months and then they are on borrowed time at most clubs. Mogga is a good example of a manager we appointed and sacked, since which he has managed Blackburn, Sunderland and Birmingham so he is well thought of. Wilder is managing on the Premier League. Warnock is managing in the Scottish Premiership at 75 and performed very well last season. Woody did go to Bournemouth. Karanka has struggled since leaving the Boro, but he did get us promoted and to a Play off final. Myself I disagreed with Woody appointment, but the others I thought were all reasonable when the appointment was made. Oops I forgot Monk and Pulis. Monk was poor and I was not convinced from the start. Pulis dour but had a formula that helped us to the Play Offs and should have again but Derby financially broke the rules.

Ref teams getting promoted on lower budgets

Last season Luton went up with I believe £24m budget i.e below our £29m - the other two promoted clubs had much bigger budgets than us.

This season its looking like Leicester, Leeds and Soton all have much bigger budgets than us - That would mean only 1 of the 6 promoted/likely promoted sides having a lower budget in the last 2 seasons.

With regards Gibson ownership - He's not got any magical insight and there are certainly a few chairman who possibly have had better insight, but overall I would not swap him for an average chairman. I did respect Dave Whelan @ Wigan as a shrewd chairman and who ever is in charge at Brentford have raised the profile of the club in a very sensible and clever way.
 
The football business is different to many other businesses.

In most businesses success is judged in the main by profit.

Not so in football - owners often have large egos which are in the public domain.

Fans want success on the pitch almost exclusively to anything else.

Time horizons are also very short in football. We want success in the next few months not few years.

I am not making judgements just 50 plus years observations.
 
Redwurzel said:
Its pointless LFC posting season ticket prices to the General Public - the last time I checked they had a waiting list of 70,000 fans for a season ticket and they had stopped taking new names. The Club have decided the subsidise their fans and as its impossible for someone not on the waiting list to buy a new season ticket and its also pointless for Boro fans to compare. Its probably a very long wait to get a season ticket - now that is a closed shop (Humpty ;)) . BTW I thought it was common knowledge there was a waiting list at Liverpool?

Comparing us with Sunderland on price is more applicable.
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That's Sheff Wed. As somebody further up the thread had queried it they were still more expensive. They also have a Kop end.

Sheff Wed always had a reputation for being ridiculously overpriced. Boro are in the same ball park now
 
Redwurzel said:
U/M

Supporting the Boro is not easy there is often more pain than pleasure and it comes in waves.

How did you feel just before the second leg of the League Cup semi say on the afternoon of the 23rd January?
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Genuinely don't remember. I can tell you how I felt in the equivalent games under Robson and McClaren.
 
Redwurzel said:
Were you not, just a little excited before the League Cup Semi? a few weeks ago.
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A bit but I knew we would get beaten. I didn't think that in 97, 98 and 2004; that might be just being younger.

As I said before, it might be on me, but that isn't just on me when they want/need/expect/begrudgingly accept my support in exchange for lots of money.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
A bit but I knew we would get beaten. I didn't think that in 97, 98 and 2004; that might be just being younger.

As I said before, it might be on me, but that isn't just on me when they want/need/expect/begrudgingly accept my support in exchange for lots of money.
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The Chelsea 4,500 away tickets all went to long term season ticket holders suggests a lot of people were excited.

Grim to me was the mid-1980s. MFC is totally different now in a positive way for me.

May 1997 was pretty bad too by the end - getting relegated when we were expected to be top 6.

I agree age can play a part and its now feels, because of the money in football and how its distribution is structured every club has a set place.
 
Had a thought the rise makes sense when tge club have now taken on a womens football team. Im sure that needs subsidising as not sure the attendances for their games cover the cost of running them each year.
 
B_G said:
That's Sheff Wed. As somebody further up the thread had queried it they were still more expensive. They also have a Kop end.

Sheff Wed always had a reputation for being ridiculously overpriced. Boro are in the same ball park now
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OK - There were a lot of threads to read and your post did not have a club name on it.

Sheff Wed will be likely Division 1 next season - don't you agree?
 
Redwurzel said:
Were you not, just a little excited before the League Cup Semi? a few weeks ago.
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I have to admit that I wasn't. Obviously there was a bit oh hope in me but I never once considered us winning the tie and definitely not winning the competition. I suppose part of it is because of how we got there. It didn't feel like we built a lot of excitement with a big cup run. We beat lower league opposition all the way and then our first challenge was too big for us. The two-legged tie basically gave me very little optimism, even after winning the 1st one (which was a great game, great performance and gave us a glimmer of a chance). I think I was actually more excited when we beat Utd and Spurs in the FA Cup because we won those ties. You can't really celebrate being ahead at half time.

Compare it to last season as well where I was confident we'd beat Coventry and get to the final and I was already planning my Wembley trip and looking at when the PL fixtures were going to be released.
 
Redwurzel said:
OK - There were a lot of threads to read and your post did not have a club name on it.

Sheff Wed will be likely Division 1 next season - don't you agree?
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I really don't know and I think it's irrelevant.

TeaCider had made a comment that we pay significantly more than every other club in the Championship

Jedi had replied saying "except Sheff Wed"

I just showed Sheff Wed's pricing to show this actually wasn't true and we have overtaken them in price also.

We are the most expensive club in the league to follow and we are in one of the most disadvantaged parts of the country. We are overpriced. Its as simple as that.
 
I can understand fans feeling frustrated at present (I am too) and its coming out in a lot of these posts, but some are losing a bit of creditability with their over the top negativity. For example saying the Riverside has "dreadful facilities" and saying we are more expensive than say QPR.

This Gillingham fan was at QPR last Saturday and here is his neutral report. He goes to lots of clubs.

 
UTB70 said:
Had a thought the rise makes sense when tge club have now taken on a womens football team. Im sure that needs subsidising as not sure the attendances for their games cover the cost of running them each year.
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The women's team does cost no doubt - but did you notice last week they attracted a new major sponsor in Lassa Tyres. Commercially many businesses are attracted to the women's game that wouldn't necessarily link up with the men's game. Having a women's team is really working well in schools - in the end it will attract a whole new audience and get so many more kids into football, sport and being fitter,
 
BG

My Boro season ticket is £20.87 per match plus a free drink (if I go to every game) - is that the most expensive ST in the Championship for an adult in a standard stand?

To me what division a team plays in makes a difference to what is seen as value.
 
Redwurzel said:
BG

My Boro season ticket is £20.87 per match plus a free drink (if I go to every game) - is that the most expensive ST in the Championship for an adult in a standard stand?

To me what division a team plays in makes a difference to what is seen as value.
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I totally agree what division we play in, makes difference. See below pricing for other Championship Clubs. And BTW, we are more expensive than many PL Clubs as well.

Championship Pricing of Cheapest ST available (i.e. behind goal) for each club. 23/24 prices used for all clubs except Boro and Sheff Wed as no others have released their prices yet. So a bit of acceptance that other clubs may increase their prices. But even if they all raised their prices by 10% we would still be the most expensive. I couldn't find pricing for Leeds. I believe their pricing is similar to Leicester.

We are about £130 more than average for adults or 34% higher and we are £103 more than average for kids or 101% more expensive. And we are the most expensive club.
I'm not sure if you only pay for your own ST or if you have a family but obviously that does make a difference. If a family of say 2 adults, 2 children are attending, then they are paying £469 more than average which is extortionate. Unless they can get in the GRFZ which isn't easy. A family of 2 adults, 2 kids renewing will pay £1,426 at Boro where a similar family will pay £734 for similar seats at Stoke. And a family of new ST holders at Middlesbrough will pay £1,610. That is a disgrace quite frankly.

Another thing to note is that I have used renewal/early bird prices where applicable but most other Clubs do not penalise new fans. and have a blanket cost for all STs and do not discriminate against new ST applicants. If we used the "full prices" and "new applicant" pricing for MFC the comparisons are even worse viewing.


Leicester£ 435£ 125
Leeds
Southampton£ 379£ 60
Ipswich£ 353£ 109
WBA£ 359£ 25
Norwich£ 534£ 101
Hull£ 300
Coventry£ 400£ 125
Sunderland£ 420£ 55
Preston£ 280£ 80U11 - FREE
Bristol City£ 385£ 99
Watford£ 402£ 70
MIDDLESBROUGH£ 510£ 206
Cardiff£ 279£ 69
Plymouth£ 400£ 85U14 - £35
Blackburn£ 429£ 120
Swansea£ 345£ 139
Birmingham£ 325£ 150
Millwall£ 370£ 100U12 - £50
Stoke£ 344£ 23
Huddersfield£ 249£ 109U11 - £49
QPR£ 391£ 139
Sheff Wed£ 510£ 200U11 - 120
Rotherham£ 405£ 40
AVERAGE£ 383£ 101
 
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