What do people think about us starting to do this? I thought against Bournemouth we had some really dicey moments - not really sure we have the players to do it. Then again it seems to be the modern way to play and when done well it can lead to good positions. Just not sure my nerves can take us doing it Boxing day!
Passing out from the back
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asredastheycome
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It will take time to get it right but better than the big hoof under the last manager.
Mountain Climber
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When we had the likes of Gibson, Ayala, Randolph etc I wouldn't feel so anxious but Lumley does not fill me with any confidence. Against Bournemouth we nearly came unstuck and need to polish this up. Hopefully practice makes perfect.
I've never been a massive fan of it but its growing on me. I think we'll look back in 20 years and think, why did we do that?
That said, I think we will be good at it as the players do it more. Paddy, Dael and dijksteel all comfortable with and carry the ball well.
With regards to our fan base I think a lot will never be pleased. Moan no matter how we play. I couldn't believe a few round me in the south who were booing last game
That said, I think we will be good at it as the players do it more. Paddy, Dael and dijksteel all comfortable with and carry the ball well.
With regards to our fan base I think a lot will never be pleased. Moan no matter how we play. I couldn't believe a few round me in the south who were booing last game
Cardiffdaffs
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I prefer it to the hoof up the field and loss of possession. I have noticed the tactic of both full backs standing level with the keeper at goal kicks now. I cant see that as anything other than a bit of professional time wasting tactic. Enomoyed by a numer of premier league sides.
BlindBoyGrunt
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It has to be learned. With long clearances we seem to lose possession more than 50% of the time, and when we do retain the ball it is seldom in a good situation.
chickenrunner
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Exactly, I think people are quite happy with the new plan but you can't expect fans to suppress shouts, gasps and groans when we have dodgy moments. It's all part of the 'fun'. Dijksteel was an accident waiting to happen in that first half against Bournemouth, major credit to the lad he turned it round in the second half. What I like about CW's version of playing out is that it is direct and not possession for possessions sake.
dooderooni
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If it's done well it is a joy to watch.
See Arsenal's first below.
See Arsenal's first below.
Jonny Ingbar
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I think there's variations on the scale when it comes to 'playing out from the back'?
Some teams do it, but in a more traditional way - I'd put us under AK in this bracket. We played a relative high line for a team playing out, but AK was all about possession and not losing the ball.
But some teams play a much more 'hard-core' version, where defenders will collect the ball almost level with the six yard box and try and play through teams - this can be a tough watch sometimes, like teams are taking massive risks, unnecessarily. I can only think of Swansea doing this from the teams at our level that I've seen, and they've had only limited success with it, in terms of results at least.
I think CW's style of high pressing and dynamic football would probably mean that we probably won't ever see us playing intricate football around our own box like Swansea do, but nevertheless the days of the long hoof from the back under NW are not going to be replicated - thankfully.
It's such a relief to see some decent football again under CW, we look like a team again, in every sense of the word.
Some teams do it, but in a more traditional way - I'd put us under AK in this bracket. We played a relative high line for a team playing out, but AK was all about possession and not losing the ball.
But some teams play a much more 'hard-core' version, where defenders will collect the ball almost level with the six yard box and try and play through teams - this can be a tough watch sometimes, like teams are taking massive risks, unnecessarily. I can only think of Swansea doing this from the teams at our level that I've seen, and they've had only limited success with it, in terms of results at least.
I think CW's style of high pressing and dynamic football would probably mean that we probably won't ever see us playing intricate football around our own box like Swansea do, but nevertheless the days of the long hoof from the back under NW are not going to be replicated - thankfully.
It's such a relief to see some decent football again under CW, we look like a team again, in every sense of the word.
Frozen Horse
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Not a fan of insisting on doing it for the sake of it. It is not principled; it is not a philosophy; it is not "the right way" to play
Play the longball if it's on.
Don't become predictable or one dimensional.
Big "If".
Play the longball if it's on.
Don't become predictable or one dimensional.
Big "If".
Subbuteo_171
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Absolutely the right way to play, if the opposition press and you have the quality on the ball (which we have at this level despite Warnock‘s best efforts to coach it out of them) then you can create opportunities to attack at pace getting the other side turned. If they don’t press you have a better chance of retaining possession and eventually dragging them out of position to create opportunities.
Jonny Ingbar
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Why? We have some good footballers across the back 3 & 5, Fry, can pass or carry the ball, McNair is comfortable as a midfielder as he is at the back and Dijksteel is a converted midfielder.
I see absolutely no reason why we can play this way, more so given CW's track record, with the only fly in the ointment being the fact that we played in an opposite way under NW.
