Pep urges English football to allow prem B teams into EFL.

JM14 said:
It would benefit player development no doubt, but would kill the football league in the process. Championship is one of the best supported leagues in Europe, that can’t be ignored for the sake of the big 6

Sadly it will happen eventually, too much money and power for the big clubs for it not to, and if they don’t get their own way they will eventually form their own league anyway
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Tbf, they don't get their own way now and still try to force through their breakaway leagues.

Pep needs to educate himself on the culture and history of English football and stop trying to push his ideas on how it should exist based on his continental understandings. This would be an unwelcome move by the vast majority of people involved in the game, and begrudgingly, Rick Parry should be applauded for rejecting this proposal.
 
Massively disagree with Guardiola here.

If you want to collect hundreds of young players like Panini stickers, then great - but don't complain when they don't develop because you've got far more players than you can ever fit in a squad.

The big clubs only hoard young talent so no-one else can get them, it's greed.

I get how they want them to have the best academy coaching up to the age of 16. After that, I actually think it's on the player - players who play, develop, so they've got to decide whether they'll be a Ruben Loftus-Cheek who is still a prospect at 25, or a Jack Grealish who is well on his way to 200 top flight appearances at 26 because he stayed at a smaller club.

I'd go the other way and set a limit on how many players a club can loan out per season, 10 or 15ish, and let the market sort it out. Chelsea had 37 players out on loan last season.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
Point i'm making is that the reason there is few top teams is down to money, not clubs having a B team.
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The point I'm making is that the rich teams in those leagues are able to do whatever they want, weakening their leagues. Just because someone else does it doesn't mean we should, particularly since our league in a more interesting one than the Spanish duopoly.
 
Let's remember that Mo Salah, Kevin de Bruyne and Romelu Lukaku were stuck in this loan vortex for years too - that's three of the best players in the league, at least £300 million worth of talent (all at Chelsea).

They got lucky that it hasn't harmed their development, but they could and should have been playing every single game for smaller teams.
 
If he is so concerned about player development he should look to releasing players for free to lower league teams with perhaps a buy back agreement. But he's not he's interested in the corporate bottom line.

Fukk off Pep, there's a good chap.
 
Got to agree it would be terrible for EFL. Other countries don’t have anywhere near as well supported teams in their second, third and even fourth tier as here.
Look at the EFL trophy, fans don’t want to see their team playing U23 sides.
 
newyddion said:
They’ll find away to make this happen I’m sure.. just like the super league (which will end up just being the premier league)

Maybe once the super leave teams are set.. they’ll let them have sister clubs that can’t go higher than the champo.. which will in effect be PL2
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Unfortunately I fear you are right, in the end without proper regulation and governance money trumps all other arguments. What Pep means by better for English football is better for Man City. It will happen as the EFL is cash strapped and the pyramid structure which makes English football what it is ultimately relies on clubs being able to finance progress.

As fans we are guilty in some ways of driving this because we demand success, which again comes down to money. Sometimes we should take stock of why we fell in love with Boro and football.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
In Spain they allow B teams to play in the top tiers but i think there is a rule that no B teams are allowed to play in the Primera Liga.

It hasn't killed Spanish football.
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They're allowed to play in the top tier, but only if their parent club isn't in the top tier too, so the only way it would happen is if the B team was promoted in the same season as the parent team was relegated, which would likely never happen.

It hasn't killed Spanish football, but there is nowhere near the strength in depth that English football has.

There are only two fully professional divisions in Spain, with 42 clubs, 1 of those clubs is currently a B team too.

Those two divisions are the only ones that cover the whole of Spain, the third division and below is regionalised and semi-professional.

England has 4 fully professional divisions and 5 leagues organised at a national level.
That's 116 clubs, almost all of them with a long history and heritage, and you'd presumably have to expel over 20 of them to allow B teams to enter the pyramid ahead of them, presumably the teams that bounce between the Championship and Premier League would also want a bite of the cherry.

It's an awful idea, and just because it's happening elsewhere doesn't mean it should happen here.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Massively disagree with Guardiola here.

If you want to collect hundreds of young players like Panini stickers, then great - but don't complain when they don't develop because you've got far more players than you can ever fit in a squad.

The big clubs only hoard young talent so no-one else can get them, it's greed.

I'd go the other way and set a limit on how many players a club can loan out per season, 10 or 15ish, and let the market sort it out. Chelsea had 37 players out on loan last season.
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agreed, although I think 15 is too many. 15 is nearly a matchday squad of players, that means the club has their matchday squad plus another matchday squad good enough to loan out. I'd limit to maybe 8-10 at most.
 
If the big clubs want youth players to have more experience they need to look at how they are developing players, not look to what more they can take from other clubs.

Its getting absurd and it is detrimental to every other club in the pyramid.

It needs reform but I would say that the reform should be at the cost of the massive clubs. They want superstars for the first team, they want developed players able to compete at the highest level. Is it not enough that they can spunk £100million on a player, or spend £40 million to hardly play them? That they also have to hoard youth talent, mainly to sell on to lesser teams or take loan fees.

The point re Chelsea shows that when they have top class young talent, they aren’t developed to potential.

The rest of the league should not be compromised for the sake of a few already asset rich clubs.

If the big clubs can’t develop them and give them game time, they shouldn’t be allowed the opportunity to.
 
Rubbish idea. In the long term it would mean about 10 prem teams had a B side occupying a space in the Championship. So everyone else has to slide down a bit to make room. Clubs like ours more likely to become a Champ-League 1 yoyo team. And at the bottom of league 2 it's 10 teams like Hartlepool becoming permanently non league.

I don't think it'd "kill" English football. But it would mean fewer towns and cities around the country would have a team, and the ones that did have a team would be less likely to have a successful one. Meanwhile there'd be extra teams exactly where they're not needed - Manchester, Liverpool and London.

Finally it'd make match days worse too. Who wants to be a Liverpool B fan when Liverpool exist? The B teams would have tiny fan bases, and the support they did have would obviously never be as impassioned as for the real things.
 
Otto42 said:
Sometimes we should take stock of why we fell in love with Boro and football.
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As a young lad in the late 60's early 70's I would go to Ayersome Park with hope and watch the Boro every home game. My cousin and I never missed a game. At the time we flirted with promotion but could never seem to finish in the top two spots. My dad would ridicule me for going and tell me they would only get beat (we all know the drill). In 1977 I got the chance to watch Manchester United play Liverpool in the FA Cup Final. Liverpool were on for the treble that season and had already secured the league. Both teams were full of stars and I witnessed a great game but the thing that sticks out in my mind is wishing I could see the Boro walk out of the Wembley Tunnel.

Not only have I seen the Boro walk out at Wembley on four occasions, but I have also watched us lift a cup at Cardiff and reach a European final (we all know the history).

What I am getting at is, this was the dream of a 15 year old lad that came true and if the likes of Pep got his way, these dreams would never come true for other young lads who are happy not winning anything but watching their teams take part. B teams would kill these dreams.
 
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