Raab not sure if all votes should be counted in a democracy

He's so determined to not be caught out that he gets caught out every time he opens his mouth.

It's a bold strategy, let's see if it works for him ...
 
asredastheycome said:
This made me chuckle. It was posted on the above Twitter page after Raabs bit.

Waiter: "Would you like fries with your order?"

This dude: "Look I'm not going to say I want fries or not want fries because I refer to them as chips, but perhaps I do want chips if there are chips that look like fries."
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Spitting Image’s Michael Gove is cast in a similar light.
 
BoroFur said:
He could have just said "all votes cast legally, yes" and there would have been no problem.
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A mate stood as a paper candidate at a council election & had to argue that someone that had drawn a c*ck & balls next to his name had actually voted for him & not spoilt their ballot.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Why should he be astonished to be asked that?
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Although to be fair he did seem pretty surprised to have been asked it as he didn't have an answer.

Presumably Cat you're thinking he should have been astonished to have been asked it because the answer is so obvious for a leading member of a government in a developed nation. In which case why not still just answer yes?
 
FatCat said:
As it is a loaded question with only one possible answer.
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A "loaded question"?

No it isn't. A loaded question is one with a "hidden agenda". It is a simple yes/no question. The classic example of a "loaded question" is:

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

Which cannot be answered yes or no.
 
Muttley said:
A "loaded question"?

No it isn't. A loaded question is one with a "hidden agenda". It is a simple yes/no question. The classic example of a "loaded question" is:

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

Which cannot be answered yes or no.
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Whatever you say Muttle
festa5 said:
Although to be fair he did seem pretty surprised to have been asked it as he didn't have an answer.

Presumably Cat you're thinking he should have been astonished to have been asked it because the answer is so obvious for a leading member of a government in a developed nation. In which case why not still just answer yes?
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yes that’s exactly what I think , it’s just so obvious What the answer is. I think I saw this interview at the time, she keeps pushing him and in the end he tells her off for not being non partisan - he says that he doesn’t want to speculate whilst the counting is ongoing and then tells her as a news presenter she should concentrate on reporting the facts - I thought he handled her very well. As you say she’s asking a question with an obvious answer with the objective of getting a headline from him. Chances are they would have made a headline which ever way he answered and therefore he rightly chose not to answer.
 
Muttley said:
A "loaded question"?

No it isn't. A loaded question is one with a "hidden agenda". It is a simple yes/no question. The classic example of a "loaded question" is:

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

Which cannot be answered yes or no.
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It certainly has the entrapment element that most loaded questions contain - it’s certainly not a straightforward question.
 
FatCat said:
It certainly has the entrapment element that most loaded questions contain - it’s certainly not a straightforward question.
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Oh come on

You want us to believe
’should all votes be counted in a democracy’ is not a straightforward question?

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Yes
No

If you say ’all legally cast votes‘ you get an A*
 
1finny said:
Oh come on

You want us to believe
’should all votes be counted in a democracy’ is not a straightforward question?

Tick box below
Yes
No

If you say ’all legally cast votes‘ you get an A*
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Oh come on yourself, I’m saying it’s a question with such an obvious answer it’s insulting to ask in the first place and the only possible reason for doing so is to create a headline. Therefore the question is loaded.
 
The problem with that interview, and everyone is missing this, is that the press and reporters should hold our government to account by reporting the news not attempt to make it. The question was clearly looking for a controversial answer as the government would clearly prefer Trump in charge.

There were many things Raab could have been asked that were relevant to the UK people, why did you vote to starve poor kids over Christmas? Where are our new hospitals, doctors, nurses and policemen. What happened to the oven ready deal. The list goes on.

it was very poor journalism and as such should be ignored.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
What negative headline could a simple 'yes' attract? It certainly wouldn't be all over social media.
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BBG, I suspect if the answer had been a simple "Yes" the next question would have been : "Even if they are fraudulent ballot papers?". To which Raab may have legitimately answered, "No of course not", followed by the question : "But you just said ALL votes should be counted".

I don't have any time for this government, but it was a stupid question and didn't deserve an answer, in my opinion.
 
The only negative headline that could possibly be generated would be if he said "no". Where is the trap?

Answer "yes" move on. Unless you are a spineless imbecile desperately worried about the ire of Dom...
 
Muttley said:
The only negative headline that could possibly be generated would be if he said "no". Where is the trap?

Answer "yes" move on. Unless you are a spineless imbecile desperately worried about the ire of Dom...
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It’s funny that you mention that because he did indeed answer “yes” to the question. Despite that the independent and the Op run with the headline that Dominic Raab is “not sure”that’s how the press work and if you want to be hoodwinked by that sort of behaviour then so be it. I prefer to read the facts see what was actually said and make my own opinion.
 
FatCat said:
Whatever you say Muttle

yes that’s exactly what I think , it’s just so obvious What the answer is. I think I saw this interview at the time, she keeps pushing him and in the end he tells her off for not being non partisan - he says that he doesn’t want to speculate whilst the counting is ongoing and then tells her as a news presenter she should concentrate on reporting the facts - I thought he handled her very well. As you say she’s asking a question with an obvious answer with the objective of getting a headline from him. Chances are they would have made a headline which ever way he answered and therefore he rightly chose not to answer.
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Rightly chose not to answer? You can't be serious? Fair point about whether the question should be asked. I disagree as I think it's relevant to understand where our government stands on it and they've been silent. But I do get your argument on that part.

But having been asked the question the only way he'd have come out looking worse is if he'd said "no".

"Yes" (with the caveat of "all legal" if you want) is the only answer a half decent politician should be given. If he'd done that no-one would be talking about it.
 
festa5 said:
Rightly chose not to answer? You can't be serious? Fair point about whether the question should be asked. I disagree as I think it's relevant to understand where our government stands on it and they've been silent. But I do get your argument on that part.

But having been asked the question the only way he'd have come out looking worse is if he'd said "no".

"Yes" (with the caveat of "all legal" if you want) is the only answer a half decent politician should be given. If he'd done that no-one would be talking about it.
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Here is what he said when pressed ......Raab replied "in principle, yes, of course",

somehow that was misconstrued to him not being sure and is exactly one of the reasons that he didn’t want to answer in the first place.
 
FatCat you're having a bit of a mare here; you're coming across as an apologist for Raab when the question he was asked was simple and required a simple answer. The fact he won't answer is of real concern, whilst your defence of him perhaps tells its own story.
 
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