Raab not sure if all votes should be counted in a democracy

WeeGord said:
FatCat you're having a bit of a mare here; you're coming across as an apologist for Raab when the question he was asked was simple and required a simple answer. The fact he won't answer is of real concern, whilst your defence of him perhaps tells its own story.
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I think you need to re-read the thread and then maybe have a look at what was actually said in the interview itself.

no mare here!
 
FatCat said:
Here is what he said when pressed ......Raab replied "in principle, yes, of course",

somehow that was misconstrued to him not being sure and is exactly one of the reasons that he didn’t want to answer in the first place.
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the reason he didn’t want to answer is that he didn’t want to criticise Trump. That’s it.

Trump is in the wrong, beyond doubt his behaviour since he lost the election is not only disgraceful, it is unprecedented.

Trump is attempting to subvert democracy, to undermine the most basic of principles that govern every facet of everyday life.

Trumps actions and his behaviour should be criticised by every decent human being, but especially those involved in politics.

The fact that Raab was unable to give a straight yes/no answer and really from there explain why Trumps stance is reprehensible speaks volumes.

The fact that you are unable to be critical of Raabs also speaks volumes.

Democracy is further eroded when individuals such as yourself are unable to question the leaders of the political group they support. If you agree 100% with the views of any political party you are unable to think for yourself.
 
go-nads! said:
the reason he didn’t want to answer is that he didn’t want to criticise Trump. That’s it.

Trump is in the wrong, beyond doubt his behaviour since he lost the election is not only disgraceful, it is unprecedented.

Trump is attempting to subvert democracy, to undermine the most basic of principles that govern every facet of everyday life.

Trumps actions and his behaviour should be criticised by every decent human being, but especially those involved in politics.

The fact that Raab was unable to give a straight yes/no answer and really from there explain why Trumps stance is reprehensible speaks volumes.

The fact that you are unable to be critical of Raabs also speaks volumes.

Democracy is further eroded when individuals such as yourself are unable to question the leaders of the political group they support. If you agree 100% with the views of any political party you are unable to think for yourself.
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Have a word with yourself - I’m simply pointing out what is being reported is far from what happened in the interview.

yes he was sitting in the fence because at the time the voting was still ongoing - this interview was Wednesday of last week I think.

I am thinking for myself!
 
FatCat said:
Have a word with yourself - I’m simply pointing out what is being reported is far from what happened in the interview.

yes he was sitting in the fence because at the time the voting was still ongoing - this interview was Wednesday or later week I think.

I am thinking for myself!
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The count may have been ongoing, that has nothing at all to do with what Raab was asked and what his response was. Plenty of posters have pointed out why Raabs behaviour is not acceptable in a democratic society.

The fact you seem unable or unwilling to grasp this, either examples your lack of intelligence or judgement. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe it’s the latter.
 
go-nads! said:
The count may have been ongoing, that has nothing at all to do with what Raab was asked and what his response was. Plenty of posters have pointed out why Raabs behaviour is not acceptable in a democratic society.

The fact you seem unable or unwilling to grasp this, either examples your lack of intelligence or judgement. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe it’s the latter.
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The point I’m making is not a political one it is about the behaviour of the press.

I’ll make this simple particularly as you like yes or no answers .

1. the OP Of this thread is titled
Raab not sure if all votes should be counted in a democracy

(yes or no)

2. Did Dominic Raab say this in the interview in question.

“in principle, yes, of course” when asked if it was right for all votes to be counted in democratic elections.

(Yes or No)

3. Based on your answers to one and two does that tally with someone who is “not sure”
(Yes or no)

you see the point I am making is about journalism in this country aside from politics. Now as you have argued there are many views on what he should or should not have said but that is a different point again and people will debate on here all day long.
 
I don't agree with fat cat on much but he has a point here. It was a dumb question meant to create news and had nothing to do with fact reporting.

We shouldn't be surprised by this, if there is no story it is not an uncommon tactic used by reporters.
 
I watched the interview in question. He did EVENTUALLY answer as you say. It is not a complicated or trick question unless you want to avoid criticising someone (in this case Trump) who is seemingly trying to pervert the course of democracy. All he had to say was "yes all legal votes must be counted". The fact that he couldn't think of that answer shows his limitations as a public figure. Abjectly incompetent.
 
FatCat said:
The point I’m making is not a political one it is about the behaviour of the press.

I’ll make this simple particularly as you like yes or no answers .

1. the OP Of this thread is titled
Raab not sure if all votes should be counted in a democracy

(yes or no)

2. Did Dominic Raab say this in the interview in question.

“in principle, yes, of course” when asked if it was right for all votes to be counted in democratic elections.

(Yes or No)

3. Based on your answers to one and two does that tally with someone who is “not sure”
(Yes or no)

you see the point I am making is about journalism in this country aside from politics. Now as you have argued there are many views on what he should or should not have said but that is a different point again and people will debate on here all day long.
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there was nothing al all wrong with the journalistic tone of the question or the insinuations made as a result of the answer.

The “leader” of the “free world” is attempting to subvert democracy on fabricated reason. A leading politician in this country was asked a simple question on what is a pretty fundamental issue.

He was unwilling or unable to give a reasonable answer. I’d have respected him if he had said something along the lines of “of course all votes should be counted, it’s the cornerstone of democracy. I trust that the measures put in place will validate all votes and should any prove not to have met those measures they would be discounted. The allegations that Trump is making appear to be without validation and are not helpful to a democratic process in an unprecedented time where there are clearly divisions in society.”

Raab is wrong on this and so are you. I’d be equally dismissive of any politician whichever side of the fence they are on. This government are simply unable to answer any question truthfully.
 
go-nads! said:
there was nothing al all wrong with the journalistic tone of the question or the insinuations made as a result of the answer.

The “leader” of the “free world” is attempting to subvert democracy on fabricated reason. A leading politician in this country was asked a simple question on what is a pretty fundamental issue.

He was unwilling or unable to give a reasonable answer. I’d have respected him if he had said something along the lines of “of course all votes should be counted, it’s the cornerstone of democracy. I trust that the measures put in place will validate all votes and should any prove not to have met those measures they would be discounted. The allegations that Trump is making appear to be without validation and are not helpful to a democratic process in an unprecedented time where there are clearly divisions in society.”

Raab is wrong on this and so are you. I’d be equally dismissive of any politician whichever side of the fence they are on. This government are simply unable to answer any question truthfully.
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I gave you three yes or no questions you didn’t answer one of them.
 
Muttley said:
I watched the interview in question. He did EVENTUALLY answer as you say. It is not a complicated or trick question unless you want to avoid criticising someone (in this case Trump) who is seemingly trying to pervert the course of democracy. All he had to say was "yes all legal votes must be counted". The fact that he couldn't think of that answer shows his limitations as a public figure. Abjectly incompetent.
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Why are the cabinet such poor performers? This man has a law degree with first class honors from Cambridge, a masters from Oxford and was a human rights lawyer in The Hague. He should be able to deal with awkward, leading or stupid questions with ease.
 
FatCat said:
I gave you three yes or no questions you didn’t answer one of them.
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You're really demanding that I reply to your post but in a manner that you have unilaterally decided upon?

I think it’s you who needs to have a rethink on your approach.
 
go-nads! said:
You're really demanding that I reply to your post but in a manner that you have unilaterally decided upon?

I think it’s you who needs to have a rethink on your approach.
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To quote yourself and others it’s a simple yes or no answer.

we aren’t going to agree Gonads - have a nice day.
 
FatCat said:
I’ll make this simple particularly as you like yes or no answers .
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1. the OP Of this thread is titled
Raab not sure if all votes should be counted in a democracy

(yes or no)

2. Did Dominic Raab say this in the interview in question.

“no” when asked if it was right for all votes to be counted in democratic elections.

(Yes or No)

3. Based on your answers to one and two does that tally with someone who is “not sure”
(Yes or no)

This is fun.
 
On a plus point, FatCat has learned how to ask a loaded question.

We just need to get him to understand why the question put to Raab WASN'T a loaded question. It could be a long night...
 
FatCat said:
Have a word with yourself - I’m simply pointing out what is being reported is far from what happened in the interview.

yes he was sitting in the fence because at the time the voting was still ongoing - this interview was Wednesday of last week I think.

I am thinking for myself!
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1) The interview was Sophie Ridge on Sunday not Wednesday
2) Voting was not ongoing but counting was
3) The interview came after every major US broadcaster, including pro-Trump Fox News, had called the election in Biden's favour.

All Raab had to do was answer the question unequivocally but instead he floundered.
 
FatCat said:
To quote yourself and others it’s a simple yes or no answer.

we aren’t going to agree Gonads - have a nice day.
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I don’t believe Raab or any other politician would go to a news interview on the basis that every question he was to be asked would necessitate a yes/no answer.

If you listen to the interview you will see Raab was given the opportunity to give his view, but when it became clear he was going to fudge, the interview intervened and pinned him down. Good technique on such a fundamental question.

The interview may as well asked “do you believe in democracy?”, because that is effectively what Raab was asked...

Do you think Churchill, Major or even Hague would have needed to be asked a question like that? If they were, would they have tried to deflect?

The reason Raab was asked was because the interviewer suspected what the response would be - which is at the centre of all this and demonstrates how deplorable the government and particularly members of the cabinet have become.

Enjoy your evening.
 
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