Rangers interested in Britt

TeessideCleveland said:
You are far too generous saying he has plenty of goals against struggling sides
The first 3 seasons I agree but this current season he has not scored plenty at all.
This season he has been absolutely dreadful, and really shouldn't be in the matchday 20 any more

The same with Akpom - who never has and never will score regularly. I wonder sometimes if he's called NotBritt Akpom when some on here praise him , almost because he is not Assombalonga
Game after game he is anonymous.Yes he got a flick on on Saturday,but when will his next involvement be?

We need to move on from these 2 as soon as possible - preferably tonight -and while he has overtaken them I'm absolutely comfortable with Fletcher going too

The love in for Bamford on here is strange.He wanted to leave.

And as for the snake Braithwaite....

I think we need a complete new forward line next season, but Fletcher aside when hes fit I wish Warnock would start now.

Britt and Akpom should not be in the matchday 20 any more for me
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Bamford wanted to leave after being told Leeds had put a bid in for him and Pulis had made it clear he wasn't to going to play him as a centre forward.

I don't blame him. But let's not make out he was going on strike and forcing a move. If Pulis had genuinely rated him he wouldn't have gone anywhere.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
You are far too generous saying he has plenty of goals against struggling sides
The first 3 seasons I agree but this current season he has not scored plenty at all.
This season he has been absolutely dreadful, and really shouldn't be in the matchday 20 any more

The same with Akpom - who never has and never will score regularly. I wonder sometimes if he's called NotBritt Akpom when some on here praise him , almost because he is not Assombalonga
Game after game he is anonymous.Yes he got a flick on on Saturday,but when will his next involvement be?

We need to move on from these 2 as soon as possible - preferably tonight -and while he has overtaken them I'm absolutely comfortable with Fletcher going too

The love in for Bamford on here is strange.He wanted to leave.

And as for the snake Braithwaite....

I think we need a complete new forward line next season, but Fletcher aside when hes fit I wish Warnock would start now.

Britt and Akpom should not be in the matchday 20 any more for me
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Bamford wanted to leave because he wasn't made the first choice striker, he wanted opportunity to be the main man. We should have given it. I felt it was a mistake signing Britt, Snakewaite and Fletcher, when we already had Bamford, Gestede and Stuani on the books.

Personally, and I said it at the time, Bamford should be first choice, we should have given Stuani a run at CF with him, we had to suck up the Gestede mistake and we needed one more CF not 3. I just couldn't see how we could play all the forwards we had and get the most from them. Instead of buying three strikers, we should have signed 1 and got two quality creative midfielders/wingers.
 
changingman said:
In hindsight it was a poor move for all concerned. Certainly not lived up to expectations and has gone from a 1 in 2 striker at PBoro and Notts to a 1 in 3.2 with Boro (that said if was still scoring a goal every other game it's unlikely he'd be with us).
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That was all before his knee injury which clearly robbed him of a little pace

changingman said:
In his defence, his best asset is probably his finishing, burying chances put on a plate but we've never really played that way while he's been at the club.
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I did some stats last year where I looked at his goalscoring. From within 6 yards he has a good conversion, but not top class, not lethal. Almost all his goals were scored within 8 yards of goal, a lot of headers from that range. There were better players out there. He can find space for himself in those areas, and his finishing is ok in those areas. But, and this is important, to be a good striker in the modern game you need more than that. You need to get involved in build up. Michael Owen said that he was so good as a youth player that he never learned to use both feet and never learned to get involved n build up play. He had to learn it when he was about 22. Maybe Britt suffered the same, was too strong as a kid and too fast, and just never learned that side of the game?!
 
How does he compare to Morelos? He's a Colombian international. Get's plenty of goals but not silly figures. I think I'd much prefer Morelos but it's hard to tell sometimes. Especially after Boyd & McDonald.
 
BoroMart said:
What are his strengths? He isn't fast. he can't hold it up, he doesn't have top class movement, he's an average finisher
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Very, very good at being right place, right time, and getting chance out of not a lot, both of which are uncoachable.

I think he's seen as a bad finisher because it's more noticeable as he gets in the right positions more than most, and because we have had a massive lack of creativity forever we tend to need to rely on someone taking every chance they get. Alternatively, he could be a better finisher and just be in the right place fewer times, he would probably get less stick for that.

I think he's the best we can hope for (hard to attract good strikers to the northeast), but we would need to play more attacking, have more creativity and give him a strike partner who suits. He's not going to get that here though, he's the right horse but we're the wrong course.

I will bet my hat that he goes back to being 1 in 2 when he goes elsewhere, I reckon he's just sick of it here to be honest, and it's started reflecting in his goals tally. Had Warnock been in charge a few years ago, instead of Monk, I think we would be looking at him differently now.

I still think Warnock thinks he's our best striker, but everything seems to be geared around isolating him to give others more opportunities, as everyone knows we ain't going up.
 
Andy_W said:
Very, very good at being right place, right time, and getting chance out of not a lot, both of which are uncoachable.

I think he's seen as a bad finisher because it's more noticeable as he gets in the right positions more than most, and because we have had a massive lack of creativity forever we tend to need to rely on someone taking every chance they get. Alternatively, he could be a better finisher and just be in the right place fewer times, he would probably get less stick for that.

I think he's the best we can hope for (hard to attract good strikers to the northeast), but we would need to play more attacking, have more creativity and give him a strike partner who suits. He's not going to get that here though, he's the right horse but we're the wrong course.

I will bet my hat that he goes back to being 1 in 2 when he goes elsewhere, I reckon he's just sick of it here to be honest, and it's started reflecting in his goals tally. Had Warnock been in charge a few years ago, instead of Monk, I think we would be looking at him differently now.

I still think Warnock thinks he's our best striker, but everything seems to be geared around isolating him to give others more opportunities, as everyone knows we ain't going up.
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Give over man. Warnock knows him to be rubbish and has dropped him, simple as that.
 
Doom_On_Horseback said:
How does he compare to Morelos? He's a Colombian international. Get's plenty of goals but not silly figures. I think I'd much prefer Morelos but it's hard to tell sometimes. Especially after Boyd & McDonald.
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Shooting:
Morelos 3.7 shots/game; Britt just 2.6 but Britt faces better players and isn't in a runaway leader of a team. So They're probably as prolific at getting their shot away.

If you look at the ratio of where they take their shots from this season,

Morelos (13% of his shots are in the 6-yard box; 68% in penalty area; 19% outside the box)
Britt (15% in 6 yard, 54% in the penalty area; 31% outside)

This season Britt is not getting himself into goalscoring positions, in previous years he gets a higher ratio of 6 yard box shots and more goals.

Shooting Accuracy:
Morelos 37% shooting accuracy, Britt 35%, pretty similar. But Morelos getting more shots in total, and more of them on target gives him an exponentially increased chance of scoring.
Almost 1 in 4 Britt shots are blocked, whereas it's about 1 in 5 for Morelos, maybe it's better defenders in the champ, maybe Britt doesn't have as quick feet
Morelos seems more one footed with 5 right foot shots for 1 left foot. Britt has 2 left foot shots for every 5 right foot, twice as often that makes defenders second guess more).

Possession:
Unnsuccessful touches: Morelos 3 per 90 mins, BRitt 3.6
Dispossesed: Morelos 1.2, Britt 2.3

Britt is much more wasteful with the ball giving it away cheaply and often.

Of course the different standards in the league make stats difficult to compare, but I'd think Britt will do ok if he goes up there. Probably get back to about 14+ goals, but I'd guess with his wasteful possession it could detrimental to the team, ie less points and team goals.

Maybe I'll have a look at Dhediou next.
 
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Andy_W said:
Very, very good at being right place, right time, and getting chance out of not a lot, both of which are uncoachable.
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I don't thin it's uncoachable, in fact I know it isn't, but some people pick it up more naturally and yes, that's probably Britts strength, but it's an absolute luxury to have a player that can do that, and you need to have other strengths such as clever running in behind, an accurate snapshot with a short backlift. If you don't then you are always waiting for the defender to switch off, and the top defenders rarely do that which explains why he never scores against the top sides in the championship
 
Alzi said:
Morelos would get wound up and sent off every week in the Championship, very much doubt he has the temperament for it.
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agree and I see nothing in his stats to suggest he would do anything special in the championship #Moneyball
 
BoroMart said:
I don't thin it's uncoachable, in fact I know it isn't, but some people pick it up more naturally and yes, that's probably Britts strength, but it's an absolute luxury to have a player that can do that, and you need to have other strengths such as clever running in behind, an accurate snapshot with a short backlift. If you don't then you are always waiting for the defender to switch off, and the top defenders rarely do that which explains why he never scores against the top sides in the championship
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Ah, I think it is uncoachable, 99% of it is anyway. See it all the time, some people just know how to time a run (like Stuani used to at the back post), some just know where the ball has the best chance of ending up, or finding time and space where there is no time and space. They're impossible to learn to the same degree. It's about as genetic as Traore running fast was, or Peter crouch is tall.

Having other skills are a bonus, but he seems to get a lot of stick for not being able to win long balls (despite only being 5'10") and not being able to hold the ball up against two centre backs, waiting for our non-existent attacking support, which has been the case for years.

Clever running behind is irrelevant if the defence don't play high, and if there's no creativity to play a through ball or some decent crosses, we've had neither for years. The funny thing is this year is the most we've had, but it's not happening as we have seemingly already made him sick, and he's leaving anyway so isn't going to fit in and be part of future plans.

You can say he doesn't score against top sides, but all strikers are the same, and they all fill their boots against weaker sides, it's been that way forever, and will continue to be the same forever, every team, every league. We don't create chances against top sides, as we don't have the ball, or creativity to break the opponents down in their half. It's been the same for years, we've been underscoring for a decade, with 20 different strikers. One of them now plays for Barcelona, one was top scorer in la liga, and one is now top scorer in the premiership, yet we didn't get the best out of any of them, and didn't have any of them scoring 1 in 2.

We keep blaming the arrow (striker), but we all know it's the Indian (lack of creativity and negative styles). Playing negative isn't necessarily a bad thing though when the defence is your strong point, which ours has been, so I can understand why we have done it, and why Britt has scored less than expected.

When he was at forest he was scoring 1 in 2, against 20 teams better than Forrest were. Every team in the champo, is better than nearly every team he faced in league 1 also.
 
I think he has done ok while he has been here, this season not so great. We obviously paid way too much but has got a fair % of our goals. Let's face it what centre forward would look good in a pulls team. I don't think he is suited to a Warnock team either battling with 4 defenders balls that are hooded up field is never going to be his strong point. He needs service and by and large while he has been playing for us he hasn't had a lot of service. Think it's best he leaves but I suspect he will successful where ever he goes too.
 
Andy_W said:
Ah, I think it is uncoachable, 99% of it is anyway. See it all the time, some people just know how to time a run (like Stuani used to at the back post), some just know where the ball has the best chance of ending up, or finding time and space where there is no time and space. They're impossible to learn to the same degree. It's about as genetic as Traore running fast was, or Peter crouch is tall.
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No mate, you can teach movement, it isn't something in the DNA, there are key techniques and skills to learn. Some people have better fast twitch muscles to react and to dynamically move away from defenders, but knowing how to use those physical attributes can be taught. I've taught plenty of kids and improved their movement to get in goalscoring positions. Some kids pick it up very easy, some don't ever seem to get it, but that's life.

Of course the other part of the equation is to knowing where the ball will most likely be is having a team mate who consistently puts the ball in certain places. We talk a lot in coaching about the second 6 an imaginary second 6 yard box. That is a place the GK generally doesn't want to come and collect. You teach your strikers to stay out of that second 6 for as long as possible before the ball is played in so that you are moving onto the ball not static. That's half the battle, when kids realise that the ball will be crossed into that same zone, they then only have to think about the timing of the movement.

Most of football is in the head and the brain is just another muscle to train.

Andy_W said:
You can say he doesn't score against top sides, but all strikers are the same, and they all fill their boots against weaker sides
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Agreed, but not to the same level as Britt, he is the extreme example of a striker that regularly fails against the top sides. I looked at examples last year and he was absolutely moribund, Bamford for example was actually fairly even he scored against good and bad teams fairly equally.
Andy_W said:
When he was at forest he was scoring 1 in 2, against 20 teams better than Forrest were.
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Not really, he had a great first 2 months and banged in EIGHT goals. Then it dried up a bit with 7 in 5 months. He played 4 games the next year. Then his 3rd season he was in and out the side, he ended up with 14 goals despite some very dry spells. That last year was similar to his first 3 years with us. He was on the wane already. We didn't break him, he was broke the year before we signed him.

In that last year he only scored in one game against a top 6 team, although his goals were invaluable in keeping forest up, I agree. He would be a key player for any bottom 8 championship side with the aim of staying in the championship. That's his level.

Personally I can't wait to see the back of him. He reminds me of how we wasted our opportunity to end this last decade of failure. He is the crowning jewel in our poor scouting. These discussions remind me of when we had Scott McDonald, I said he was poor quality, but people said he's our top scorer and it's not his fault we don't create chances. We sold him to Millwall and his goals plumetted, because he was just poor quality, we had been creating for him. Britt will never score 20 in a season at this level, he will never be a first choice in a promotion team. He's just a very poor quality player.
 
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