Reform

[atypical_boro]

Just pointing out that you change the goalposts/narrative to support whatever you saying

Well at least I answer questions and don't just say 'let it go' when I know I'm beat.

 

[Andy_W]

Confirming the right wing bias of the media, in luding the BBC.

Some of BBC are not so bad with their reporting, but they used to be a lot better, but having Tory Laura as the political journo was taking the ****.

At least they're not far right, more like right of centre disproportionate sympathisers.

Although, saying that, their platforming of the right is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[JackG]

It is actually quite fascinating that all these years after they hanged a monkey as they feared it was a French spy they are still so worried about foreigners, comin' over 'ere.

They will vote for the candidate who promises to bring back hanging (monkeys )

 

[B_G]

Apparently Reform have caught the tories in the latest YouGov poll

Voting intention

If there were a general election held tomorrow, which party would you vote for?

yougov.co.uk

 

[Nano]

Apparently Reform have caught the tories in the latest YouGov poll

Voting intention

If there were a general election held tomorrow, which party would you vote for?

yougov.co.uk

It's funny that the Conservatives and Reform are taking votes from each other because they are so similar even though their names mean opposite things.

 

[festa5]

Apparently Reform have caught the tories in the latest YouGov poll

Voting intention

If there were a general election held tomorrow, which party would you vote for?

yougov.co.uk

No sympathy for the tories but can't take any pleasure from it. Anyone voting for a party openly full of racists should be thoroughly F***ing ashamed of themselves.

No doubt a lot of mental gymnastics going on in some people's heads to be able to justify it to themselves.

 

[TheYorkshireTerrier]

Farage's talk of 'something going on out there' with the youth isn't quite true, is it?

 

[Juninhoburger]

No sympathy for the tories but can't take any pleasure from it. Anyone voting for a party openly full of racists should be thoroughly F***ing ashamed of themselves.

No doubt a lot of mental gymnastics going on in some people's heads to be able to justify it to themselves.

No mental gymnastics needed for those people. Just xenophobia/racism.

 

[Capybara]

Apparently you have to vote for the Conservatives over Reform because to do otherwise would allow in a Starmer-led government with it's slightly-tweaked version of what the Tories have been doing rather than the fact that Reform is a bunch of far-right racist scum that isn't even a proper party.

 

[festa5]

No mental gymnastics needed for those people. Just xenophobia/racism.

I know that. But a lot of them don't seem to recognise it in themselves.

Hence the mental gymnastics to try and convince themselves they're not xenophobic or racist. Even though they clearly are.

"I'm not racist but........"

 

[Zoophonic]

I know that. But a lot of them don't seem to recognise it in themselves.

Hence the mental gymnastics to try and convince themselves they're not xenophobic or racist. Even though they clearly are.

"I'm not racist but........"

The country is full of racists. My grandad and nan are very racist - lots of old people are and whilst they would vote for Labour in the 70s they would now go full on for Reform - basically because they are conditioned to hold racist views. You can't tell them. Its very sad.

 

[speckyget]

The country is full of racists. My grandad and nan are very racist - lots of old people are and whilst they would vote for Labour in the 70s they would now go full on for Reform - basically because they are conditioned to hold racist views. You can't tell them. Its very sad.

It is sad, but true. And in a sense it's hard to shift folk who have grown up in that tradition. A bigger concern would be any younger people who succumb to the lazy thinking and easy answers racists like Farage present. That would give this 'movement' longevity.

 

[Capybara]

It is sad, but true. And in a sense it's hard to shift folk who have grown up in that tradition. A bigger concern would be any younger people who succumb to the lazy thinking and easy answers racists like Farage present.

I'd agree with that assuming that by 'younger people' you mean those under 70.

 

[Centralscrutinizer]

I don’t think the U.K. does it the worst at all

American politics feels much worse than here

Were rapidly catching up with our populist/right wing politicians being steered by the same people.

 

[NYboro]

Yeah buts he's entertaining the others are boring to watch

Not my idea of entertainment.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

The rise of the Far Right is piggy backing on those views across Europe as well as US and South America. . France, Holland, Hungary to name but three

 

[Nano]

The rise of the Far Right is piggy backing on those views across Europe as well as US and South America. . France, Holland, Hungary to name but three

The Far Right is popular because there has been a wave of immigration in a lot of those places. Now, most people would say that immigration isn't bad, isn't something to be scared of etc but it is a visible change and something very easy for the right to manipulate. Things have changed for people, and not always for the better. Often immigrants are coming to the UK and similar places because we are an economically stronger country and that often means they will accept lower wages than their local counterparts which causes wage stagnation. We have had a huge increase in numbers of people but no equivalent increase in capacity for housing or public services. Many of these are political choices but the people that should be making the argument that more people without the requisite funding is bad (Labour) are instead saying and doing the exact opposite. That doesn't leave the people at the bottom end of the economic scale with anywhere else to go. The wealthy likes immigration because it means they can take advantage of cheap labour. The middle classes like immigration because they like the culture it brings and they like prices to stay low for the services they buy and the lack of housing increases their house prices.

This is a very easy argument to frame in a non-racist/xenophobic way by talking about population (and not immigration), public service capacity, housing capacity and per capita spending. There are several variables we could focus on to measure the economy but we only ever talk about one and that is total GDP.

Obviously, some people are just outright racists and so the immigration topic is a racist one to them but the number of people are insignificant politically. The far right are only relevant if they can convince enough non-racists that foreigners are the problem. Someone to blame and something that can visibly be done is an easy message to sell. A bit more common sense, open discussion and honesty from the more serious parties would see these numbers dwindle to BNP levels of support again.

 

[B_G]

This is a very easy argument to frame in a non-racist/xenophobic way by talking about population (and not immigration), public service capacity, housing capacity and per capita spending. There are several variables we could focus on to measure the economy but we only ever talk about one and that is total GDP.

I tried to have this discussion on here a few months back when the 2023 net immigration figures were released but I was piled on.

But all parties are now admitting that net immigration is a problem and all have pledged to deal with it in some way.

 

[NYboro]

I tried to have this discussion on here a few months back when the 2023 net immigration figures were released but I was piled on.

But all parties are now admitting that net immigration is a problem and all have pledged to deal with it in some way.

Not all parties and, were we to set up proper asylum processing, there would be no problem at all.

 

[B_G]

Not all parties and were we to set up property asylum processing, there would be no problem at all.

Which parties don't?

Asylum processing is a small part of the problem though which needs to be sorted. Rwanda clearly is not the correct way of dealing with that.

The rapid increase in population is a problem which includes students / skilled workers / asylum seekers / illegals. We have a housing crisis, we have an underfunded NHS that cannot cope with the current population, public transport network that is over crowded and not fit for purpose.

Of course this is a result of 14 years of austerity and mass investment in these services is what is required. But increasing the population by 700k per annum is exasperating the issues we have.