Riley McGree [Mail / Sun]

indeedido said:
Do you have a Martometer that perfectly assesses and grades everything?
Surprised it is not better known.
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No, just common sense, eyes and a brain cheers.

Any comments on Celtics financial offer breaking down, and ours being a better financial offer? Didn't think so
 
BoroMart said:
Is it possible we have already agreed the sale of Spence to Forest, with Forest having agreed to sell that young right winger if they don't get promoted? We know there was a new financial loan agreement with Forest a couple of weeks ago to ensure hestayed for the next 6 months. It may be we have 8mill incoming for him on 1st July which will then offset some of this spending?
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I doubt that. Spence's advisers will want him in the Premier League next season come what may and to tie him into a pre-contract agreement would not make sense.
 
BoroMart said:
I'm not going to gloat yet but it's sounding like rumours of Celtic's financial clout have been greatly over estimated
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It is not a rumour of clout, it is a fact.
I clearly posted numerous times on this thread, that it wasn't all about financial clout, but if it was, that Celtic have triple the budget.
If the lad chooses us then great, but if not then I could understand why not if we were not in the PL.
As for gloating Mart, do me a favour, you do little else.
 
BoroMart said:
No, just common sense, eyes and a brain cheers.

Any comments on Celtics financial offer breaking down, and ours being a better financial offer? Didn't think so
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The fact that we ( Steve Gibson's wallet) may be offering more money than Celtic doesn't change the fact that Celtic financially are stronger than us. Surely you see that?
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
I doubt that. Spence's advisers will want him in the Premier League next season come what may and to tie him into a pre-contract agreement would not make sense.
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Maybe, or maybe he loves it so much at Forest that he wants to be permanent there, believes in their manager, but they can't afford until the summer, I've got no idea but I'll be amazed if he isn't sold somewhere in the summer. The only thing that would scupper that would be a serious injury in the second half of the season
 
indeedido said:
I clearly posted numerous times on this thread, that it wasn't all about financial clout, but if it was, that Celtic have triple the budget.
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but hang on we're blowing them out of the water with our offer if these stories are true, so.......
 
I see it as we're having a gamble to get promoted this season as we're in a really good position. If we do, we don't have to worry about money. If we don't then Spence, Tav and Fry will all be off to the premier league and we'll have recouped this money and have money left over to buy youth and build longer term.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
The fact that we ( Steve Gibson's wallet) may be offering more money than Celtic doesn't change the fact that Celtic financially are stronger than us. Surely you see that?
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At this current point, their peak and our trough, then yes.

But, they have no method of increasing that, it can only go down from there if they have a really poor european season. We have massive potential to increase our earnings, which means we can gamble a bit and beat them financially. That seems to be the case here. We can also offer promotion bonuses that are much less of a gamble for us, and blow Celtic out of the water.
 
BoroMart said:
but hang on we're blowing them out of the water with our offer if these stories are true, so.......
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That remains to be seen I see it as a financial gamble and no reflection on the Club's balance sheets
BoroMart said:
Maybe, or maybe he loves it so much at Forest that he wants to be permanent there, believes in their manager, but they can't afford until the summer, I've got no idea but I'll be amazed if he isn't sold somewhere in the summer. The only thing that would scupper that would be a serious injury in the second half of the season
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I agree he will be sold now that I think we can be certain. I am sure we are already spending the money we will garner - I only hope its not on John Lundstram.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
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Balance sheets are not everything, earning potential comes into this also, and that means as a team in the hunt, we can gamble. Celtic can't they have zero potential to earn significantly more than they do now. They will always be a selling club. Whenever they hit the jackpot with a Viduka or Van Dijk they'll need to cash in, far more so than us
 
UTB 1953 said:
Tav is a strange one he splits opinions on here. Brilliant player will come good in the near future. or he has had loads of opportunity to improve and appears to be going backwards.
IMHO he is in the latter category. He is stagnating and shows little or know improvement week on week. I would take any decent bid for him and move on.
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Agree. I just don’t have confidence he’ll affect games. Doesn’t score when in good positions. Final ball is too often poor. Crossing is very inconsistent.

Don’t want to be too harsh but I don’t think he’s any better than 2-3 years ago. Not a bad player but could have done so much better with his ability. Think he needs a fresh start and I’d wish him well.
 
BoroMart said:
Balance sheets are not everything, earning potential comes into this also, and that means as a team in the hunt, we can gamble. Celtic can't they have zero potential to earn significantly more than they do now. They will always be a selling club. Whenever they hit the jackpot with a Viduka or Van Dijk they'll need to cash in, far more so than us
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With respect that is a slightly different argument with your original premise which I took as Celtic can't live with us financially. They can and in McGree's case they may be choosing not to spend the money he wants and we are willing to push the boat out further.
 
indeedido said:
It is not a rumour of clout, it is a fact.
I clearly posted numerous times on this thread, that it wasn't all about financial clout, but if it was, that Celtic have triple the budget.
If the lad chooses us then great, but if not then I could understand why not if we were not in the PL.
As for gloating Mart, do me a favour, you do little else.
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The reports are that he couldn’t agree personal terms and we have pretty much blew them out of the water with the overall package
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
With respect that is a slightly different argument with your original premise which I took as Celtic can't live with us financially. They can and in McGree's case they may be choosing not to spend the money he wants and we are willing to push the boat out further.
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My original point was that we can compete with Celtic for wages and transfer fees. How we do it wasn't mentioned, I didn't bring balance sheets or anything else into it. Even when on our **** we could spent 7mill on Saville, or 9mill on Rhodes after years in the championship (for comparison Celtics two most expensive signings are 7 and 9 mill also). We spent 45k on Britts wages last season without going bust and paid Bolasies premier league wages. These are figures that are comparable to Celtics spending. That is the point, when push comes to shove, we can and have competed with them, by whatever means.

s overall budget they have more than us, but on an individual player basis we can, will, do and have competed.

I get that some people on this thread have taken a polarised stance, and won't back down, I'm fine with that.
 
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There are only a handful of cases of players in the last 20 years of players that left a decent league to go to Scotland then made it big in other leagues.
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John Lundstram? ( I hope we don't get him by the way)

I get that some people on this thread have taken a polarised stance, and won't back down, I'm fine with that.
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Including yourself of course. Although a "polarised stance" = a "different view" which Im glad you are fine with. Thanks
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
John Lundstram? ( I hope we don't get him by the way)



Including yourself of course. Although a "polarised stance" = a "different view" which Im glad you are fine with. Thanks
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No it's more that despite the evidence of ones eyes, they fail to re-adjust. As I have given examples above we signed Rhodes after how many years of championship revenue, for 9mill, which is Celtics record fee.

We paid Bolasies wages last season, which will far exceed celtics all time top earner.

These are as much facts as any revenue, but take all aspects of an organisations strategy into account, not just one element such as a balance sheet. The evidence is there, we have already outbid celtic in the past as a championship side, we have outpaid them as a championship side, we've even bought their top players off them as a championship side.
 
BoroMart said:
No it's more that despite the evidence of ones eyes, they fail to re-adjust. As I have given examples above we signed Rhodes after how many years of championship revenue, for 9mill, which is Celtics record fee.

We paid Bolasies wages last season, which will far exceed celtics all time top earner.

These are as much facts as any revenue, but take all aspects of an organisations strategy into account, not just one element such as a balance sheet. The evidence is there, we have already outbid celtic in the past as a championship side, we have outpaid them as a championship side, we've even bought their top players off them as a championship side.
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They received £25m for Kieran Tierney and £20m for Moussa Dembele and throw in another £27m they got in the Summer for Edouard and Ajer and you have to admit they have a fair few bob more than us - which they choose to spend wisely.
 
Zoophonic said:
They received £25m for Kieran Tierney and £20m for Moussa Dembele and throw in another £27m they got in the Summer for Edouard and Ajer and you have to admit they have a fair few bob more than us - which they choose to spend wisely.
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I have no idea what their profitability is, what debts they need to service, what other players they've bought.

We sold Ben Gibson and Adama Traore a few years back and didn't have much to spend, sales are only part of the picture.

Tierney went 1 1/2 years ago and Dembele 3 1/2 years ago not sure they're that relevant as they've spent that money
 
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