Should we appeal the red card?

Caesium137 said:
I think the wording is along the lines of 'a fair/reasonable attempt to play the ball' as Fry wasn't attempting to play the ball he was just fouling his man DJ doesn't come in to it. So you get a red and a penna, not just a penna and a booking.

Maybe?
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I honestly don’t know the answer. Rules seem to come and go all the time!
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
I honestly don’t know the answer. Rules seem to come and go all the time!
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The law states: "Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off."
 
Would everyone blaming Steffen for the penalty incident blame Fry for the goal if Steffen had come flying out and the ball got past him and bobbled over the line?

I would be willing to bet not.

Fry and Hackney were both absolutely instrumental in us conceding both goals through poor play, and almost to a man Steffen is being criticised and being apportioned with almost sole blame..
 
Caesium137 said:
Would everyone blaming Steffen for the penalty incident blame Fry for the goal if Steffen had come flying out and the ball got past him and bobbled over the line?

I would be willing to bet not.

Fry and Hackney were both absolutely instrumental in us conceding both goals through poor play, and almost to a man Steffen is being criticised and being apportioned with almost sole blame..
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It's a strange one, Steffen definitely made mistakes today, but I wouldn't say he was at fault for either goal (unless you count saving the penalty but not well enough as a mistake).

Stewart never made a shot, so we can't say definitively it was a mistake for Steffen to wait.
The ref made an incorrect decision which cost us on that one.
 
TeaCider said:
It's a strange one, Steffen definitely made mistakes today, but I wouldn't say he was at fault for either goal (unless you count saving the penalty but not well enough as a mistake).

Stewart never made a shot, so we can't say definitively it was a mistake for Steffen to wait.
The ref made an incorrect decision which cost us on that one.
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Should have been out much faster for the Fry incident, he could and should have cleared it easily
 
locomansimon said:
Should have been out much faster for the Fry incident, he could and should have cleared it easily
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Assuming he gets to it first, if he misses the ball, he gives Stewart an open net and gets criticised for that.

If he stays where he is, and Stewart gets a shot off and it's saved, then he's probably done the right thing.
 
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TeaCider said:
It's a strange one, Steffen definitely made mistakes today, but I wouldn't say he was at fault for either goal (unless you count saving the penalty but not well enough as a mistake).

Stewart never made a shot, so we can't say definitively it was a mistake for Steffen to wait.
The ref made an incorrect decision which cost us on that one.
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If Steffen had got to the ball, even just close, then it wouldn't have been denying a goal scoring opportunity so no red. We'd have had a better chance of we could've kept it at 11 v 11.
 
TeaCider said:
Assuming he gets to it first, if he misses the ball, he gives Stewart an open net and gets criticised for that.

If he stays where he is, and Stewart gets a shot off and it's saved, then he's probably done the right thing.
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Yes of course he gets criticised if he comes out and misses the ball. You can't base decisions on assuming you will miss the ball though. He should have been out and cut that attack off.
 
Given how poor Fry was today a game off might not be the worst thing in the world. Assuming Lenihen came through unscathed.

The usual McNair conundrum presented itself today. We looked loads better playing it out from the back once he was on, but there's always question marks over him defensively.

Wouldn't be averse to seeing what he's like with Lenihen for 90 mins. I think Fry and McNair are probably both better playing alongside more of a talker/leader.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
But a red card should only be given for intentionally bringing down an opponent or stopping him. The fa could argue fry’s grappling was sufficient to make the forward struggle and so you could argue it was a foul and fry made the refs decision easier for him to make
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Doesn't matter I don't think. Ultimately if you trip, unintentionally is a foul. If it is a foul and you are the last man it's a sending off.

Now I don't know if all t those circumstances are true, particularly the trip. If they are, sending off.
 
We wouldn’t win an appeal and knowing our luck would get a 4th game for a ‘frivolous appeal’. It was a very subjective decision - referees will argue it was a pull by Fry and it moved on to the white line of the box. As Fry made no attempt for the ball double jeopardy didn’t apply so a penalty and a red card. Time to move on.
 
Duffman said:
We wouldn’t win an appeal and knowing our luck would get a 4th game for a ‘frivolous appeal’. It was a very subjective decision - referees will argue it was a pull by Fry and it moved on to the white line of the box. As Fry made no attempt for the ball double jeopardy didn’t apply so a penalty and a red card. Time to move on.
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It's a 1 match ban.

Frivolous appeals are almost never a thing.

If we think they've got it wrong, we should appeal.
 
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