So Fury/Joshua 14th August confirmed

And now a court has ruled that Wilder and Fury should get a rematch. The rematch that almost no one outside of the Wilder camp wants when compared with the fight that literally everyone has been demanding for years. It never ceases to amaze me the shambolic way that boxing is run. Corrupt to its core.

We need one world championship belt per weight division and the rest need to be scrapped. However boxing gets worse year on year for this sort of thing, not better.
 
And now a court has ruled that Wilder and Fury should get a rematch. The fight that literally no one outside of the Wilder camp wants, instead of the fight that literally everyone has been demanding for years. It never ceases to amaze me the shambolic way that boxing is run. Corrupt to its core.

We need one world championship belt per weight division and the rest need to be scrapped. However boxing gets worse year on year for this sort of thing, not better.
Wilder will step aside if he is paid enough. He has no interest in a third fight
 
Wilder can’t box, Joshua is an Olympic good medalist. You just can’t walk aj down like you can wilder. Wilder has one punch walking him down negated that
Exactly, a lot of people writing Joshua off here, it's strange.

Fury has beaten windmill Wilder, who previously only fought bums or old pro's or Fury's beat a couple of decent fighters well past their prime, none of them are anywhere near Joshua's level, certainly not now.

Joshua's main weakness is/was his chin, or his nievity, but Fury is not a big puncher, and Joshua will land more on Fury than Wilder did, and he will hit harder than any of the others.

Are people forgetting Joshua beat Whyte, Klitschko, Takam, Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz (after the first blip) and Pulev? Don't think Wilder is any better than most of those, as he isn't, basically as he hadn't beat fighters at that level.

Fury's couple of decent wins, don't overshadow who Joshua has beaten in my opinion, and I just think Joshua's fitness and the lessons he's learned from the last few fights will pay off dividends. He learnt a lot from underestimating Ruiz, and has fought some varying fighters of high calibre.

I would have it pretty much evens, if not slightly favouring Joshua.

I don't think the bookies will have it that way mind, but they will be driven by the market and the public, which will favour fury I expect.

My bet is Joshua gets an earlyish knockdown, then gets rocked himself, then it goes quiet for a couple of rounds, then AJ goes a bit more aggressive in the middle/ late rounds and he wins by stoppage/ TKO. I don't think it will go the distance, I think AJ will land too many decent hits before it goes that far, and he won't want to risk points. Fury can't fight AJ like he did Wilder, it would have to be more like how he fought Klitchko, but I don't think Fury is as good now as he was then, and I think AJ is better now (who also beat Klitchko).
 
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Fury can't fight AJ like he did Wilder, it would have to be more like how he fought Klitchko, but I don't think Fury is as good now as he was then, and I think AJ is better now.
Agree with a lot you say. I think Fury's game plan will be to fight like he did against Klitschko, and win enough rounds to take it on points. Is Fury still as good as then? If so, then I think that he will win on points. Or will he instead go in there are try to do the same as he did to Wilder? We don't know, and that is what makes this fight fascinating.
 
Agree with a lot you say. I think Fury's game plan will be to fight like he did against Klitschko, and win enough rounds to take it on points. Is Fury still as good as then? If so, then I think that he will win on points. Or will he instead go in there are try to do the same as he did to Wilder? We don't know, and that is what makes this fight fascinating.
Yeah, I think so too, it's the only way he can win I think (to take the same approach as he did v Klitschko). I don't think Fury is as good as back then mind, but not much in it.

The problem for Fury is that AJ was better than Klitchko then, and he's a lot better than that now, he's learned a lot more and he's probably near his peak now.

The problem AJ will have is that Fury might be able to get in his head, I expect all the clown antics to come back from Fury, and I don't think AJ has faced anyone like that before. It's just a case of whether he can block it off.

Going to be really interesting, even more so for the re-match, can easily see this being a 1-1 and no trilogy fight, so they basically end up as a draw, that way nobody loses and everyone wins, I suppose.
 
Somehow I dont think you have a clue how that works. Huge difference between having a substance addiction and taking performance enhancing drugs
In June 2016, just a month before Fury’s proposed rematch with Klitschko in Manchester, UK Anti-Doping suspended him due to an adverse finding. The suspension was not revealed until later in the year but Fury had already pulled out of the rematch due to an ankle injury.

Pending a hearing and appeal, Ukad said that both Fury and his cousin Hughie Fury had returned samples with elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites after their fights in February 2015. (Hughie had beaten Andriy Rudenko in Monaco before Tyson overcame Christian Hammer a week later in London.) Tyson Fury was also later charged with failing to provide a sample in September 2016,
 
Fury late stoppage for me. Will wear AJ down and finish him once he starts gassing.

Oh and Wilder will 100% take a pay off. That's if his contract stands up to scrutiny. There's a suggestion that the time-frame to make the 3rd fight has elapsed but it's a bit messy with Covid. Whether people will want the 3rd fight or not, a contract is a contract.
 
I would have it pretty much evens, if not slightly favouring Joshua.
absolutely spot on. I've been saying this for some time. Fury is a great boxer, but he has his flaws. He can and has been knocked down by boxers with nowhere near AJs power, he has been in big trouble from cuts, and although heroic vs Wilder in the first fight, a boxer like AJ would finish him because he has a wider variety of power shots to finish a fight.

AJs weaknesses are apparently his chin, but he got up after a massive Klitschko shot, and came back stronger, he got wobbled by Whyte but stayed up, and took it to him. Ruiz caught him with a good but fortunate shot behind the ear, but prior to that Ruiz had started to unravel under AJs power.

The second AJ-Ruiz fight showed the 'stamina' issue has been resolved as he was fresh as a daisy at the end of that fight, he could have gone another 3 rounds then gone for a 10k run.

I have AJ slight favourite based on better ring iq and technique than Wilder, with similar power. If AJ gets close and fights inside then AJ will smash his big body and look for hooks and uppercuts and I can't see how Fury can avoid those.
 
absolutely spot on. I've been saying this for some time. Fury is a great boxer, but he has his flaws. He can and has been knocked down by boxers with nowhere near AJs power, he has been in big trouble from cuts, and although heroic vs Wilder in the first fight, a boxer like AJ would finish him because he has a wider variety of power shots to finish a fight.

AJs weaknesses are apparently his chin, but he got up after a massive Klitschko shot, and came back stronger, he got wobbled by Whyte but stayed up, and took it to him. Ruiz caught him with a good but fortunate shot behind the ear, but prior to that Ruiz had started to unravel under AJs power.

The second AJ-Ruiz fight showed the 'stamina' issue has been resolved as he was fresh as a daisy at the end of that fight, he could have gone another 3 rounds then gone for a 10k run.

I have AJ slight favourite based on better ring iq and technique than Wilder, with similar power. If AJ gets close and fights inside then AJ will smash his big body and look for hooks and uppercuts and I can't see how Fury can avoid those.
Yeah, the key thing is AJ has had some flaws, but they've been found and they've been largely fixed. I think Fury's ceiling is lower than it was, and it's lower than AJ's, win or lose. Even if AJ loses the first one he will learn and get better and win the second I think, he's not a dumb one-trick pony like Wilder.

Every physical attribute that Fury has, AJ has faced someone with the same attribute, but better/ stronger, but they've not been the same package of course. Where Fury is better than others is in the mental game, and gamesmanship, but I don't think this will be enough to overcome what gains AJ clearly has over every opponent Fury has faced.

I see it like Fury is maybe 10-20% more of a problem than the fighters AJ has faced in some aspects, but AJ is like 50% more of a problem than Fury has faced, in a number of areas.

It's going to be great though no doubt, and a close fight, and hopefully Wembley for the rematch which will be even better.
 
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Just shows what a poor job Arum and Bricktop have done with this considering they have been saying it wont be an issue,

Bricktop😂 - I've stopped listening to him he spouts off stuff pretty much after hearing it from Hearn. He's almost finished.

Exactly, a lot of people writing Joshua off here, it's strange.

Fury has beaten windmill Wilder, who previously only fought bums or old pro's or Fury's beat a couple of decent fighters well past their prime, none of them are anywhere near Joshua's level, certainly not now.

Joshua's main weakness is/was his chin, or his nievity, but Fury is not a big puncher, and Joshua will land more on Fury than Wilder did, and he will hit harder than any of the others.

Are people forgetting Joshua beat Whyte, Klitschko, Takam, Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz (after the first blip) and Pulev? Don't think Wilder is any better than most of those, as he isn't, basically as he hadn't beat fighters at that level.

Fury's couple of decent wins, don't overshadow who Joshua has beaten in my opinion, and I just think Joshua's fitness and the lessons he's learned from the last few fights will pay off dividends. He learnt a lot from underestimating Ruiz, and has fought some varying fighters of high calibre.

I would have it pretty much evens, if not slightly favouring Joshua.

I don't think the bookies will have it that way mind, but they will be driven by the market and the public, which will favour fury I expect.

My bet is Joshua gets an earlyish knockdown, then gets rocked himself, then it goes quiet for a couple of rounds, then AJ goes a bit more aggressive in the middle/ late rounds and he wins by stoppage/ TKO. I don't think it will go the distance, I think AJ will land too many decent hits before it goes that far, and he won't want to risk points. Fury can't fight AJ like he did Wilder, it would have to be more like how he fought Klitchko, but I don't think Fury is as good now as he was then, and I think AJ is better now (who also beat Klitchko).

Spot on @Andy_W
 
What are these huge gains that Joshua has made?

He was crawling around the ring 3 fights ago after being beat up by Andy Ruiz. Before that I don't think he was hugely convincing against fighters like Takam, Parker and Povetkin.

Credit to Joshua for the way he handled Ruiz in the rematch but it was just completely risk free tactics against someone almost a foot shorter than him and ridiculous out of shape.

Then he beat Pulev who was slow ponderous and has zero head movement or defence.

I can see the argument for Joshua winning and an argument for Fury maybe being a bit stale due to a lack of activity but to say Joshua is improving and Fury is stalling, I dont agree with that. Its just so ridiculously biased.
 
The constant will they won't they of boxing is so bloody tedious.

Almost as irritating as the staged aggression and incidents at virtually every weigh in.
 
What are these huge gains that Joshua has made?

He was crawling around the ring 3 fights ago after being beat up by Andy Ruiz. Before that I don't think he was hugely convincing against fighters like Takam, Parker and Povetkin.

Credit to Joshua for the way he handled Ruiz in the rematch but it was just completely risk free tactics against someone almost a foot shorter than him and ridiculous out of shape.

Then he beat Pulev who was slow ponderous and has zero head movement or defence.

I can see the argument for Joshua winning and an argument for Fury maybe being a bit stale due to a lack of activity but to say Joshua is improving and Fury is stalling, I dont agree with that. Its just so ridiculously biased.
He's learned a lot, fought almost every style going and not fought a bum for years. His chin is not so weak anymore, now knows not to be too heavy/ big, doesn't gas out as much, knows what it's like to underestimate someone.
He's beat 4,5,6,9, easily beat more top 10/20 fighters than any of the others and done it faster/ younger too. His main challenger (Windmill) wouldn't fight him, so windmill took a fight against Fury (who he underestimated, and also got shown up for what he really is (a windmill)).

Ruiz was a last minute agreement, so AJ had little preparation and underestimated him big time, even more so after AJ had floored him. He let his guard down and ruiz landed a lucky hit to the back/ side of his head, which obviously really affected him, but it didn't happen the second time around (a lesson). He beat Takam, Parker and Povetkin though, all top 20 fighters, none of which Wilder or Fury beat.

Povetkin was old and slow, but was largely made to look that way by AJ also. Povetkin wasn't a mug though and only Klitschko beat him previous (a better version of klitchko that either Fury or Joshua faced).

You could also say who has Fury beat, ever? 40-year-old Klitschko and windmill wilder, who kept dodging AJ and who himself was 35?
Wlad was far, far from his peak, and "the windmill" has lots of wins, but it's like having lots of wins against pub drunks. The fact is proven as Wilder has barely left the US and barely fought anyone from outside the USA or it's neighbouring countries, despite Europe having the bigger names and more talent. He's only beat Ortiz, in the top 10, but Ortiz has never beat anyone in the top 10 either (a bum hunter, beat another bum hunter).

I'm not saying it's biased to AJ, I'm saying it's even if anything.

I just don't see why people have Fury so far ahead, what grounds? I think AJ is undervalued, for me, he's in better shape, stronger, fitter, harder puncher and has more top 10 wins. Fury is probably equal or very close on ability, largely due to height/ movement/ awkwardness, but a good fighter over 12 rounds can beat him, even if they don't knock him out. Fury's a cracking fighter and they're definitely 1&2, but imo his list of wins isn't as impressive if you drill into the detail. There's tow big names in his fight list, but one was passed it and the other one was the most over-rated fighter of the last 20 years.
 
Now talk of Fury v Wilder 3 in Las Vegas July 24th - I mean if I were AJ I'd pause all this professionalism he portrays and sit right on the front row and stare them both out.
 
Now talk of Fury v Wilder 3 in Las Vegas July 24th - I mean if I were AJ I'd pause all this professionalism he portrays and sit right on the front row and stare them both out.

I don't think it will happen, I don't see much point in it, nobody does.

I'd just say, look, Wilder you can have your fight on 14th Sep, but I'm fighting AJ on the 14th August, no matter what.

Then he will either have no belts to fight for, or nobody will care and he'll sell no PPV, and either way he would get beat again.

What can they do, take Fury's belts off him? They can't make him fight. Even if they took his licence the Saudi's won't care. He won't care either, he's an honourable guy, he knows he won them belts and he knows the best men are him and AJ and that those two have to get it on.

Fury could just fight him and take a dive, nobody would be bothered, everyone want's AJ V Fury before it loses relevance.
 
I don't think it will happen, I don't see much point in it, nobody does.

I'd just say, look, Wilder you can have your fight on 14th Sep, but I'm fighting AJ on the 14th August, no matter what.

Then he will either have no belts to fight for, or nobody will care and he'll sell no PPV, and either way he would get beat again.

What can they do, take Fury's belts off him? They can't make him fight. Even if they took his licence the Saudi's won't care. He won't care either, he's an honourable guy, he knows he won them belts and he knows the best men are him and AJ and that those two have to get it on.

Fury could just fight him and take a dive, nobody would be bothered.

Then they'd make the AJ fight November/December slightly cooler in Saudi then perhaps?
 
Then they'd make the AJ fight November/December slightly cooler in Saudi then perhaps?
I think they want to take advantage of the summer buzz, not long after the Euro's too.

AJ might have to fight some other dude if the summer Fury one gets pushed back, I juts don't think they want the risk in that. There's going to have to be 2-3 fights to fit in between these two, it will be a long schedule and lots of planning.
 
Frank Warren already quoting wilder step aside money of around 14mil - I’m fairly sure both fighters will have to take a hit on their purse and the Saudis may throw a few more quid in the pot if that’s the case.
 
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