Starmer reneges on nationalisation plans

Chris_Boro said:
Pippa Crerar is hardly an obscure journalist, the one that has essentially brought down the entire Johnson government, yeah that obscure one.

You started a post without checking first, you've been corrected yet continue throwing mud anyway. Reeves made an error when questioned about re nationalisation and shouldn't have included rail.

But regardless, it has been corrected. So again, will you retract your OP?
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1551514665313878016

Hardly setting the record straight.
 
Chris_Boro said:
You do understand the concept of time right?

I'll post it again so you can have a harder look...

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So he’s couldn’t clarify the position himself in front of our national broadcaster. But it took a journalist a further 5 hours later to do it for him. I’d rather hear from the organ grinder not the monkey. A simple yes she was wrong would have been fine. Guess he was being pragmatic

That you for the condescending reply mind.
 
BiggEggo said:
Big ask for any government to return any privatised industries back to public ownership given the current state of UK's gov finances.
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The government loses money by subsidising the railways. The government loses money by running the non profitable lines the private sector doesnt want.

The consumer has one if not the most expensive rail network in Europe.

Quasi private nationalised railway companies take our subsidies, and profit and use this to finance their own rail systems.
 
I think Labour and KS are trying a little too hard to plander to the Brexit generation, which I understand, because they are the ones who vote in the biggest numbers.

But this obviously creates a tension between socialist values and what traditional Labour supporters want to see and, in my view, leaves a bit of an unsavory taste in my mouth.

I suppose the right is so hard-right now, that the left can afford to be more centrist and get away with it?
 
dorivasmiddlefinger said:
So he’s couldn’t clarify the position himself in front of our national broadcaster. But it took a journalist a further 5 hours later to do it for him. I’d rather hear from the organ grinder not the monkey. A simple yes she was wrong would have been fine. Guess he was being pragmatic

That you for the condescending reply mind.
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In the video you posted he talked about being pragmatic about the nationalisation of the railway, in that something like that would take time and wouldn't be straight forward.

He since clarified what he meant by that in the later interview with the Mirror, which quoted what he said so your bizarre assertion that it was done for him is just showing you up even further now.

You've been proved wrong and are desperately trying to cling on to that for some bizarre reason.
 
Chris_Boro said:
In the video you posted he talked about being pragmatic about the nationalisation of the railway, in that something like that would take time and wouldn't be straight forward.

He since clarified what he meant by that in the later interview with the Mirror, which quoted what he said so your bizarre assertion that it was done for him is just showing you up even further now.

You've been proved wrong and are desperately trying to cling on to that for some bizarre reason.
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You’ve added assumed context to your reply. It is you who is trying too hard. As I said he simply could have said no it was a mistake and that would have been it. But it was needlessly left open. It was the mirror that has said it was a mistake. How can you deny that? It’s obviously a mistake and I’m happy to take it at that. The level of communication has been poor and whether you agree or not I’m not concerned.
 
If SKS doesn’t tell fibs he’d better learn PDQ considering it’s an essential No.1 competency requirement to be PM. He’s got a hard act to follow too..
 
dorivasmiddlefinger said:
You’ve added assumed context to your reply. It is you who is trying too hard. As I said he simply could have said no it was a mistake and that would have been it. But it was needlessly left open. It was the mirror that has said it was a mistake. How can you deny that? It’s obviously a mistake and I’m happy to take it at that. The level of communication has been poor and whether you agree or not I’m not concerned.
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The communication is not the topic here, yes it could definitely be better.

The topic is what you started, the re nationalisation of railways and your original post is incorrect and out dated by the interview Starmer gave to the Mirror in which he said Labour will continue with it's policy of the nationalisation of the railway.

You've been corrected and still will not accept that your OP is wrong.
 
The 1970s want their policy back.
You know, the one, among others, that lost us the last election.
Thankfully most of us have moved on.

Not quite, but alomst, anything, anything to get the Tories out.

And yet some, as in the OP, will still help the Tories get back in. You might as well go the whole hog and put your tick in the blue box.
 
In the face of a right wing regime, I was hopeful that Labour supporters across the board might unite and try to win the next election.

But instead looks like we can look forward to the Tories mobilising their vote on the back of being tough (yet again) on immigration and ensuring they can increase the wealth divide, further expand the reliance on food banks and continue to run down the NHS until we are forced into an insurance system.

Maybe it just isn’t hard enough yet?
 
zzzzz said:
The 1970s want their policy back.
You know, the one, among others, that lost us the last election.
Thankfully most of us have moved on.

Not quite, but alomst, anything, anything to get the Tories out.

And yet some, as the OP, will still help the Tories get back in. You might as well go the whole hog and put your tick in the blue box.
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What does that post even mean? Are you for nationalisation or not? Is it a 70s idea? Is it a fairytale? Should we only want the Conservatives out and that’s the limit of our ambition? SKS has said another way is possible. Why would you limit yourself and stunt ambition? I just don’t get it.
 
Chris_Boro said:
The communication is not the topic here, yes it could definitely be better.

The topic is what you started, the re nationalisation of railways and your original post is incorrect and out dated by the interview Starmer gave to the Mirror in which he said Labour will continue with it's policy of the nationalisation of the railway.

You've been corrected and still will not accept that your OP is wrong.
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I’m perfectly happy to accept the OP is wrong on reflection. I’m not arrogant enough to pursue a narrative if it’s incorrect. Of course I’m subsequently making the point that this would not have happened if it was immediately jumped on and clarified, which it should have done by Reeves herself. And then by Starmer in Liverpool. It took hours. It’s simply poor.
 
dorivasmiddlefinger said:
Wrong. But good try, he made a great impression initially and the standing off to let the Johnson administration eat themselves was good. But I want the policies to go with it.
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here is a post he made on May 5th 2021 on the hartlepool election thread 🤥


  • I feel the way about Starmer the same way people felt about Corbyn. Not keen from the very start and unlikely to change my opinion. He's a temporary leader.​


OK Kidda !
 
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