Starmer reneges on nationalisation plans

norfolkngood said:
So go and lose it then, along with all your leftie mates who voted for that policy in 2019 when in case you didn't notice we lost.
At least when the Tories win the next election because all you good socialists kept your principles and didn't vote Labour, you will be able to look yourself in the mirror and say 'Well I've kept my principles' whilst the rest of us all starve and travel around on our privatised railway and hope we can afford an appointment with our new GP.
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Nationalisation policies are popular when polled.

If you think that’s why Labour lost the 2019 election, I really don’t know what to say.
 
dorivasmiddlefinger said:
I’m perfectly happy to accept the OP is wrong on reflection. I’m not arrogant enough to pursue a narrative if it’s incorrect. Of course I’m subsequently making the point that this would not have happened if it was immediately jumped on and clarified, which it should have done by Reeves herself. And then by Starmer in Liverpool. It took hours. It’s simply poor.
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Starmer did not come close to stating Labour would not be re nationalising the railway in his answer, he was stating that he takes a pragmatic view about it, ie that it's not a simple thing to do.

Reeves probably should've came out quickly in response but she was presenting the event in which Starmer was speaking.

However the point remains that it was all corrected well before you created this thread, so by implication of your own standard, the correction was fast enough.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Starmer did not come close to stating Labour would not be re nationalising the railway in his answer, he was stating that he takes a pragmatic view about it, ie that it's not a simple thing to do.

Reeves probably should've came out quickly in response but she was presenting the event in which Starmer was speaking.

However the point remains that it was all corrected well before you created this thread, so by implication of your own standard, the correction was fast enough.
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To be perfectly honest with you, until it comes from the horses mouth I’ll take what I’ve heard with a pinch of salt
 
Chris_Boro said:
Starmer did not come close to stating Labour would not be re nationalising the railway in his answer, he was stating that he takes a pragmatic view about it, ie that it's not a simple thing to do.

Reeves probably should've came out quickly in response but she was presenting the event in which Starmer was speaking.

However the point remains that it was all corrected well before you created this thread, so by implication of your own standard, the correction was fast enough.
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I said he wasn’t clear in what he said. He didnt commit either way. He said he’d take a pragmatic view. That’s all.
 
dorivasmiddlefinger said:
Why the f9ck didn’t he just say that’s wrong then rather than string it out ffs.
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Why didnt you do the same? Pot/Kettle.

He clearly wanted to set an expectation that re nationalising anything is not a simple process and would take time, he did not state that Labour would not be doing it.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Why didnt you do the same? Pot/Kettle.

He clearly wanted to set an expectation that re nationalising anything is not a simple process and would take time, he did not state that Labour would not be doing it.
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I have said that. See my earlier post.

You’re once again making assumptions and excuses on other behalf. I’m happy to be corrected. Doesn’t bother me if I’m proven wrong and I then reassess opinion or position. It was an easy question with an easy answer.
 
Having lived through many changes of government I have never seen great change whomsoever gains the keys to No10. I'm a floating voter but haven't voted Labour since Blair in 1997, who's government did many good things but soured by the warmongering with Bush. Milliband and Corbyn, and their Leftist agenda, didn't impress me, but Starmer stands a chance for my vote at the next GE

#UTB
 
I see this morning he’s now u-turning on the u-turn.

Honestly the bloke is a clown, he might be a very good lawyer but he has no idea how to do politics.

He has no idea where he stands on a whole host of issues because he has no political ideology, he has no political compass, all he cares about is power.

He lied to get the Labour nomination and has gone back on every pledge he made to win that vote.

The Tories don’t deserve to win the next election, but Labour deserve to lose.

The worst government in my lifetime and support for Starmer is still lukewarm at best. What happened to “any other leader would be 20 points ahead” that the centrists, Blair and James O’Brien screamed as they were shoving knives into Corbyn?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551825735031177216
 
InglebyUTB said:
The worst government in my lifetime and support for Starmer is still lukewarm at best. What happened to “any other leader would be 20 points ahead” that the centrists, Blair and James O’Brien screamed as they were shoving knives into Corbyn?
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A very good point. There are Labour candidates such as Khan, Burnham that I believe would be 20 points ahead by now.
 
It makes much more sense to look at railways. The actual network is already public owned and ran by National Rail. The East Coast Mainline is already ran publicly by LNER. It’s been publicly ran on two occasions in the last ten years. It makes sense looking to make it all public again.

In my opinion, all utilities should be public but it’s not as easy as it seems. For example, one company owned by one family in Hong Kong own lots of UK infrastructure companies. It won’t be straight forward or easy dealing with them.
 
InglebyUTB said:
I see this morning he’s now u-turning on the u-turn.

Honestly the bloke is a clown, he might be a very good lawyer but he has no idea how to do politics.

He has no idea where he stands on a whole host of issues because he has no political ideology, he has no political compass, all he cares about is power.

He lied to get the Labour nomination and has gone back on every pledge he made to win that vote.

The Tories don’t deserve to win the next election, but Labour deserve to lose.

The worst government in my lifetime and support for Starmer is still lukewarm at best. What happened to “any other leader would be 20 points ahead” that the centrists, Blair and James O’Brien screamed as they were shoving knives into Corbyn?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551825735031177216
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He literally said in that interview that he will continue with the public ownership of rail.

Energy, water and the Mail would be significantly harder and cost vast amounts of money that would be near impossible to cost and while I supported it previously I don't now as things have changed.

The priority for any new Labour government should be to rebuild the devastated public sector after 12 years of Tory austerity and to invest in our crumbling infrastructure and return to strong growth

Once that's done, then I think we can look again at re nationalisation.

I can see what Starmer is trying to do, not over promise and under deliver, but it's not going to be popular with people who think Labour should do everything in 20 seconds after being elected. It's just not reasonable after a pandemic that still hasn't gone away and a decade of Tory ideology.
 
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Chris_Boro said:
He literally said in that interview that he will continue with the public ownership of rail.

Energy, water and the Mail would be significantly harder and cost vast amounts of money that would be near impossible to cost and while I supported it previously I don't now as things have changed.

The priority for any new Labour government should be to rebuild the devastated public sector after 12 years of Tory austerity and to invest in our crumbling infrastructure and return to strong growth

Once that's done, then I think we can look again at re nationalisation.

I can see what Starmer is trying to do, not over promise and under deliver, but it's not going to be popular with people who think Labour should do everything in 20 seconds after being elected. It's just not reasonable after a pandemic that still hasn't gone away and a decade of Tory ideology.
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Listen to his words instead of what you want to hear.

Network Rail is publicly owned, so he’s promising to continue the Tory model of Network Rail being publicly owned with tax payer funded subsidise for private companies to make huge profits and pay out massive shareholder dividends.

What he’s doing isn’t smart, it’s total stupidity.

He’s offering what Sunak is offering which is deeply unpopular. Truss may be thick as mince but she's offering tax cuts.

Politicians like Starmer make politics look so difficult when it really isn't, tell people how you're going to improve the country and make their lives materially better.

Labour can't answer that question at the moment.

The rail nationalisation question is such an easy one to answer if you genuinely believe in it - “We want to stop tax payer subsidise for private rail companies to make huge profits and pay out hundreds of millions in shareholder dividends at our expense.

Instead we will nationalise the railways when the franchise contracts expire, which will cost us nothing extra and bring those profits and dividends into the public purse”

Done. Next question.

He can’t do that because he doesn’t believe in it.
 
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