Sunderland Away Ticket Info

indeedido said:
The 4k who bought tickets got points, after sell out there are no points for pay on gate.
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The initial batch went to general sale though didn’t they?

Almost all of the games this season have either gone to general sale or not sold out. To get a ticket for games like this you would have had to go to almost every away game, and those people will rightly get priority.
 
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fmttmadmin said:


Am not certain if it is actually the police in this csse. We shall find ouy but it may the club taking this stance.
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Even worse if it’s the clubs decision. Getting less than 5% of the grounds capacity is a joke when they will have thousands of empty seats. The FA should surely be able to overrule clubs doing this
 
JM14 said:
The initial batch went to general sale though didn’t they?

Almost all of the games this season have either gone to general sale or not sold out. To get a ticket for games like this you would have had to go to almost every away game, and those people will rightly get priority.
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Spot on, it’s the fairest way. Too many people come out of the woodwork complaining they can’t get a ticket but only want to attend these types of games.
 
Sexpom said:
Spot on, it’s the fairest way. Too many people come out of the woodwork complaining they can’t get a ticket but only want to attend these types of games.
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It is not spot on.
"loyalty" in going to away matches across just one and a half seasons is not the definitive measure of loyalty, it is subjective.
 
indeedido said:
It is not spot on.
"loyalty" in going to away matches across just one and a half seasons is not the definitive measure of loyalty, it is subjective.
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How else can they fairly decide who gets tickets? Surely the ones who attend the most games have to get first choice?
 
Not a season ticket holder and fairly infrequent attender of away matches so I don't have a bias towards who merits first dibs at the SAFC tickets.
So I think some of us know that a large chunk will go first to Corporate and Hospitality, now in my opinion that is unfair, many won't have bothered with away tickets all season but because of the nature of the game these guys will be clamouring for tickets possibly up to 1000 will go, this leaves a 1000 for loyal supporters. So who do you call loyal well I think the system in place works, it not only identifies those who attend the most home games but those who attend the most away as well. I have seen the other system where it is a total free for all and that is extremely unfair and random. The points system since it was introduced seems to have encouraged the growth of our away support and this is because loyalty is being rewarded and for those guys who are likely to go they get further encouragement.

+ My next suggestion to increasing your point allocation is not something I am keen on but I've read about it and visually seen evidence of it on replays so I'm going to put it out there. Sunderland fans buy tickets even if they don't intend to go, they get the points, some sell on to other supporters which is fine at the more attended matches but I saw highlights of them at Plymouth last season when they sold out but it was obvious one of the blocks had quite a bit of empty seats in it, probably the 1st one to go on sale. This season when I watched them at Blackburn it was obvious the lower tier 1st block of seats was looking a bit sparse, so that is what they do, maybe some of ours should think about it.
 
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JM14 said:
How else can they fairly decide who gets tickets? Surely the ones who attend the most games have to get first choice?
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I think what Indeedio is saying is over what period of time do you define loyalty, you could have someone who has only had a season ticket 2 years and been to 20 away games in 2 years classed as being more loyal than someone who has had a season ticket for 10 years and been to 150 away games in 10 years but just not any in the last couple of seasons.
 
The points system works. This is its biggest challenge to date given opponents and form. I will miss out too (gold card and get to a fair few away games). I am gutted but ultimately it is the allocation that is the problem.

The safety/crowd control substantiation is very weak when it is possible to buy in the home end. When I discovered how easy it is to buy a home ticket I wondered if that had been factored into the allocation decision. It will happen regardless but much more likely with this allocation. Plus with it being on Sky how many fans will travel without a ticket and watch the game? It is a serious miscalculation by both clubs and the police and makes our fans angry flaring up emotion and forcing those who will go regardless into the home end.

The points system is as fair as you can get. Other than an away game should be worth equal points to a home cup game (if not more). The points system and a fair allocation work together to make away games as safe as possible.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
I think what Indeedio is saying is over what period of time do you define loyalty, you could have someone who has only had a season ticket 2 years and been to 20 away games in 2 years classed as being more loyal than someone who has had a season ticket for 10 years and been to 150 away games in 10 years but just not any in the last couple of seasons.
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If it goes over 10 years it really does become a closed shop for new fans though, at least this way it gives younger fans a fair chance to get tickets while also rewarding loyalty
 
10 years would definitely be too much. The younger generation would basically have no chance for a good few years.

2 years is good. maybe 4 would be ok. But I believe a loyalty scheme longer than 5 years would be extremely harsh on new/younger fans.

The bottom line is, a loyalty scheme needed to be brought in for situations like Sunderland away when allocation is very low, but the demand is extremely high, and other than a few little problems (Gold card status being a closed shop & the chairmans drink being a closed shop) then it's about as fair as can be.
 
JM14 said:
If it goes over 10 years it really does become a closed shop for new fans though, at least this way it gives younger fans a fair chance to get tickets while also rewarding loyalty
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It's nowhere near a closed shop.

Hardly any away game sells out before it gets to general sale.

If fans with season cards (or in most cases without season cards!) want an away ticket to build up their priority points they can get one.

Those that travel week in week out over a sustained period of time (to games that the majority don't want to go to) will quickly rise to the top and get access to in demand games.

The amount of fans that have 220+ points will be, I'd estimate, around 200-400?

This argument pops up rarely because it's rarely an issue... it only comes to a head when people that haven't been arsed to buy away tickets for most games want to go to the really in demand, high profile games.
 
The elitist system benefits those that can, it's devaluing the contribution made by those that can't make most away games, and the language used on the thread is the type I can read every day in the Mail, Telegraph etc. 'Sacrifice', 'commitment' etc to maintain the status quo in society.
 
CarrickBall said:
This argument pops up rarely because it's rarely an issue... it only comes to a head when people that haven't been arsed to buy away tickets for most games want to go to the really in demand, high profile games
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This is bang on.

And ironically, it's the fans who don't attend as many games that are moaning.

There's even some fans who don't even have a season card that are moaning about the system!

It's absolutely crackers.
 
CarrickBall said:
This argument pops up rarely because it's rarely an issue... it only comes to a head when people that haven't been arsed to buy away tickets for most games want to go to the really in demand, high profile games.
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You are really selling your position there, aren't you?
 
Marvanelli said:
This is bang on.

And ironically, it's the fans who don't attend as many games that are moaning.

There's even some fans who don't even have a season card that are moaning about the system!

It's absolutely crackers.
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And why shouldn't we comment on a system that we see as unfair. I'm assuming you're a white male, I may be wrong, but I wouldn't criticise you for condemning racism and misogyny.
 
Capybara said:
You are really selling your position there, aren't you?
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I don't know what you mean by that to be honest, but I stand by what I say.

Fans that can't for what ever reason / don't want to for whatever reason follow Boro away week in week out shouldn't moan when they have to wait in line to access in demand tickets behind those that have put in the hard yards and spent time & money following Boro up and down the country every other week consistently.
 
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