r00fie1
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No...ere.....that money`s going to pay for the "Lower Thames Crossing".
Tees viaduct is going to be improved by providing canoes and paddles near Newport Bridge for shoppers who miss the Bus to Stockton.
Surprise surprise HS2
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Tees viaduct is going to be improved by providing canoes and paddles near Newport Bridge for shoppers who miss the Bus to Stockton.
r00fie1
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Hope Valley still operates using semaphore signals from edale Signal Box.
This is 2023!!
[A 34 year old diesel multiple unit with Victorian signaling and quaint signal box at Edale in the Hope Valley. The tunnel in the picture brings you out the other side into Lancashire]
Meanwhile - the Woodhead route sits there rotting. Even National Grid have routed their cables through the "new" tunnels at Woodhead. The first line British Rail electrified using overhead wires - 1500 volts DC. Unceremoniously trashed.
Another part of our railway transport infrastructure in the bin - much better equipped for speed and line capacity than Hope Valley.
We never learn. Certainly Governments dont.
r00fie1
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Its a real shame there`s only The Great Central Hotel and the Wicker Arch left of the Sheffield Victoria to Penistone and Manchester [via Woodhead] line.
Norman_Conquest
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Tell Rishi - Your opportunity to join the conversation.
I am going to post this on every post about these charlatans and hopefully, we can let them know.
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I am going to post this on every post about these charlatans and hopefully, we can let them know.
Join The Conversation | Rishi Sunak
Halve inflation. Grow the economy. Stop the boats.
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thewanderer
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They have announced that the selling of land on the Hs2 route will begin immediately and Euston will be limited to 6 platforms with no provision to add more. Utter vandals. I despise Sunak, he is trashing this nations economic future.
clay
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And that's what this is really all about: use taxpayers money to buy up the land at full price, then hand it off cheap to the same property developers who make up over 10% of all Tory donations.
NoloBoro
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The issue with rail travel surely has to be the costs surrounding private ownership?
Yesterday, I stood waiting for a delayed train thinking I might miss a connection to another one. I was going to hedge my bets and get on an earlier one, which would have gotten me closer to where I needed to be but left me with quite a walk with heavy bags at the other end, the ticket I had was specifically for a certain train though, so if I’d caught the earlier one (owned by another rail company), I would have had to pay again for essentially the same journey. Just seems odd? Especially when you consider as a taxpayer I contribute to the cost of maintaining the railway lines.
Yesterday, I stood waiting for a delayed train thinking I might miss a connection to another one. I was going to hedge my bets and get on an earlier one, which would have gotten me closer to where I needed to be but left me with quite a walk with heavy bags at the other end, the ticket I had was specifically for a certain train though, so if I’d caught the earlier one (owned by another rail company), I would have had to pay again for essentially the same journey. Just seems odd? Especially when you consider as a taxpayer I contribute to the cost of maintaining the railway lines.
Piccadilly Day Tripper
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Can you see the sleight of hand yet? At the outset, HS2 was perhaps a solution to a problem that wasn't there.
Back at the start, if the existing network had the same kind of investment as what has been spent on HS2- as advised by the experts - there would have been significant improvements felt by passengers, travelling north to south, east to west.
But HS2 was pushed ahead as the great Osborne project, and then quickly became a black hole for money and one of those very convenient ethereal things for the government like Brexit - "once we do it, everything will be better" - which meant that nothing significant has been invested in the past ten years and any major decisions on things like the log jam in the Pennines has been kicked down the tracks.
To the point where I would like to take the trains when travelling across the north, but they can't be trusted. So off I go on the M62 and M6 car parks every other day...
And don't give me the pandemic happened, so investment needs to be rethought excuse - construction workers were identified as key workers and had to crack on.
HS2 is a disgustingly mis-managed project - from starting at the south and working up, to the disruption already caused, to the lack of decision on key points in the system like Manchester - but I don't know how you can have the nerve to look at people straight and say, no bother, we'll do something else "£36bn of funding on hundreds of infrastructure projects across the UK".
13 years. THIRTEEN YEARS of nothing. 13 years of fluffing the people of the north east, the north of England, and then spitting in their face while London grows fat on actual investment.
Then Houchen comes out with "great, the north east has £938m in additional funding for us to use as we see fit" like you've won a prize. How disingenuous can you get?*
F***ing Oxford and Cambridge spads and rich, entitled born-to-rule ******* from the shires playing a big game of Monopoly with the ability of people across the North to be able to get on with their lives without everything being a logistical nightmare.
*Houchen has always been against HS2, to be fair
Jeez. had to write that somewhere. GREAT WIN LAST NIGHT - I'm so glad the club have held their nerve through the tough patch and I'm looking forward to Saturday - I think we can surprise the mackems
Back at the start, if the existing network had the same kind of investment as what has been spent on HS2- as advised by the experts - there would have been significant improvements felt by passengers, travelling north to south, east to west.
But HS2 was pushed ahead as the great Osborne project, and then quickly became a black hole for money and one of those very convenient ethereal things for the government like Brexit - "once we do it, everything will be better" - which meant that nothing significant has been invested in the past ten years and any major decisions on things like the log jam in the Pennines has been kicked down the tracks.
To the point where I would like to take the trains when travelling across the north, but they can't be trusted. So off I go on the M62 and M6 car parks every other day...
And don't give me the pandemic happened, so investment needs to be rethought excuse - construction workers were identified as key workers and had to crack on.
HS2 is a disgustingly mis-managed project - from starting at the south and working up, to the disruption already caused, to the lack of decision on key points in the system like Manchester - but I don't know how you can have the nerve to look at people straight and say, no bother, we'll do something else "£36bn of funding on hundreds of infrastructure projects across the UK".
13 years. THIRTEEN YEARS of nothing. 13 years of fluffing the people of the north east, the north of England, and then spitting in their face while London grows fat on actual investment.
Then Houchen comes out with "great, the north east has £938m in additional funding for us to use as we see fit" like you've won a prize. How disingenuous can you get?*
F***ing Oxford and Cambridge spads and rich, entitled born-to-rule ******* from the shires playing a big game of Monopoly with the ability of people across the North to be able to get on with their lives without everything being a logistical nightmare.
Gov pledges to extend tram line to Manchester Airport - where it already exists
"This will come as a shock to those who’ve been using the Metrolink line to Manchester airport since [checks notes].... November 2014"
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
*Houchen has always been against HS2, to be fair
Jeez. had to write that somewhere. GREAT WIN LAST NIGHT - I'm so glad the club have held their nerve through the tough patch and I'm looking forward to Saturday - I think we can surprise the mackems
r00fie1
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The arzoles dont even know the Tram to Manchester Airport was opened in 2014!!!! WT......!!!Can you see the sleight of hand yet? At the outset, HS2 was perhaps a solution to a problem that wasn't there.
Back at the start, if the existing network had the same kind of investment as what has been spent on HS2- as advised by the experts - there would have been significant improvements felt by passengers, travelling north to south, east to west.
But HS2 was pushed ahead as the great Osborne project, and then quickly became a black hole for money and one of those very convenient ethereal things for the government like Brexit - "once we do it, everything will be better" - which meant that nothing significant has been invested in the past ten years and any major decisions on things like the log jam in the Pennines has been kicked down the tracks.
To the point where I would like to take the trains when travelling across the north, but they can't be trusted. So off I go on the M62 and M6 car parks every other day...
And don't give me the pandemic happened, so investment needs to be rethought excuse - construction workers were identified as key workers and had to crack on.
HS2 is a disgustingly mis-managed project - from starting at the south and working up, to the disruption already caused, to the lack of decision on key points in the system like Manchester - but I don't know how you can have the nerve to look at people straight and say, no bother, we'll do something else "£36bn of funding on hundreds of infrastructure projects across the UK".
13 years. THIRTEEN YEARS of nothing. 13 years of fluffing the people of the north east, the north of England, and then spitting in their face while London grows fat on actual investment.
Then Houchen comes out with "great, the north east has £938m in additional funding for us to use as we see fit" like you've won a prize. How disingenuous can you get?*
F***ing Oxford and Cambridge spads and rich, entitled born-to-rule ******* from the shires playing a big game of Monopoly with the ability of people across the North to be able to get on with their lives without everything being a logistical nightmare.
Gov pledges to extend tram line to Manchester Airport - where it already exists
"This will come as a shock to those who’ve been using the Metrolink line to Manchester airport since [checks notes].... November 2014"www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
*Houchen has always been against HS2, to be fair
Jeez. had to write that somewhere. GREAT WIN LAST NIGHT - I'm so glad the club have held their nerve through the tough patch and I'm looking forward to Saturday - I think we can surprise the mackems
r00fie1
Well-known member
At least they wont have to close the new ticket offices - because there wont be any in the first placeThe so called billions of investment will end up in the bin like Boris’s 40 new hospitals.
ThePrisoner
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Houtchen moaning that Labour not in favour of the £1 billion that the PM has given him today
Ben T. fecking loves tax payer's money doesn't he? Wonder where it will end up (if it actually exists)
"Now through the looking glass… Local labour MPs now wanting HS2 (which had no benefit to the NE) to go ahead, and Teesside NOT to receive the £1billion the PM has given me today for local projects! Who do they represent and is this official Labour policy?"
Ben T. fecking loves tax payer's money doesn't he? Wonder where it will end up
(if it actually exists)"Now through the looking glass… Local labour MPs now wanting HS2 (which had no benefit to the NE) to go ahead, and Teesside NOT to receive the £1billion the PM has given me today for local projects! Who do they represent and is this official Labour policy?"
Trouble is they spend so many years on planning these projects that when the time comes to put the spades in they get shelved. HS2 was done badly from start to finish should of started in the North down to London. The Manchester to Birmingham and Leeds to Birmingham was like 1/4 of the total cost the main cost is London to Birmingham that they have commited too its mad!!!
They does need to be better faster more reliable connections East to West though so can go from Darlo to Manchester quicker with the stops among the way Leeds Bradford Huddersfield etc better connected they are right. But with this Northern rail project they are back at square one will be years of planning may never materialise.
HS2 they had planning approved were on building it now they have cancelled it all the property pruchesed between Birmingham and Manchester has been wasted
They does need to be better faster more reliable connections East to West though so can go from Darlo to Manchester quicker with the stops among the way Leeds Bradford Huddersfield etc better connected they are right. But with this Northern rail project they are back at square one will be years of planning may never materialise.
HS2 they had planning approved were on building it now they have cancelled it all the property pruchesed between Birmingham and Manchester has been wasted
I also think Democracy does create a short term mindset as well and is a reason these long term projects never really materialise. As governments are just voted on their at most 5 years in office and doing things that will get them voted back in as the British people are like football fans want instant success. As a consequence they is no long term plan in place for this country need to go back to having the monarchy ruling atleast they is someone accountable and longterm mindset to create a legacy
sambaDTR
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Agree. Strange they started South to North rather than the other way round. If you were levelling up then at least Manchester to Birmingham and Leeds to Birmingham could have been completed before the money ran out!
MolteniArcore
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Sunak is going to spend the money he saves on potholes.
Shouldn't they be spending money on this in any case or am I missing something?
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It’s a bad job when we can’t afford to maintain the roads we already have. Might not be the best idea to build more whilst this is the case!!!
We could have spent all this extra cash on cycling infrastructure to save the planet!!!