Chris_Boro
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January got extended by 11 months this year!
That’s it then. No Deal
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January got extended by 11 months this year!
Hicktonpen10
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100% comfortable thank you."balance" - a euphemism for "I dont feel comfortable about my own opinion".
Global media set the agenda.
Zuckerberg
Murdoch
Rothermere [DMGT]
Jolly England has little or no say - ring them up or email them and complain
Good luck.
SmallTown
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And the usual suspects will lap it up.
“Ooooo he got Brexit done”
it’s actually depressing
Adi_Dem
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This is highly likely. As is the ability of this bunch of charlatans to conflate the post vaccine economic recovery with Brexit to at least offset the damage but more than likely somehow fudge it as a success. As you say, it will be lapped up.
bear66
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Interesting discussion on Politics today on Brexit. What is this brave new world that sovereignty will allow us to put into place? Why are the government scared stiff to tell us? No answers from the Tory MP as usual, just it's all about sovereignty and the will of the people.
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r00fie1
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Its ballox thats why.
Its an abstract concept with no basis in fact.
A flag-waving jingoistic heap of bull-droppings.
How will this new found "Sovereignty" help put meals in front of hungry kids? Provide new safe secure employment?
Build new houses to combat homelessness?
You know the score "Bear"....but the flag wavers have no idea
Centralscrutinizer
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Lefty
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Only just seen this.
I think there are issues around competences. Some area's have overlap between what are Member States domain and what are ceded to the Commission.
It is well known that the UK wanted to divide and conquer EU member states during the negotiations, we actually were stupid enough to pretty much state it. As a member, we were exceptional at this, working within the EU to get what we wanted. This is not the story put out by brexiters of course, they said the opposite, but then their whole strategy was relying on this skill we had honed. There were two problems with this, we sacked or drove out many of our most skilled civil servants and replaced them with gaff prone bumbling idiots like Johnson, Davis and Raab and, most importantly, our brightest and best brexiters failed to appreciate there is quite a difference in arguing internally between competing states, industries, and lobby groups for what the EU's position should be and then putting that agreed position up against the desires of a third party State.
I suspect the EU are wary of our former skill and our recent duplicity. They don't trust us. No-one does now. What they don't want is a naive country negotiating something that can be used as a wedge by the UK is my guess.
r00fie1
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"Taking our country back" (?!) and giving our privacy to global multinationals!
uk.reuters.com
Business News
December 15, 20206:14 PMUpdated 2 hours ago
4 Min Read
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Facebook Inc will shift all its users in the United Kingdom into user agreements with the corporate headquarters in California, moving them out of their current relationship with Facebook’s Irish unit and out of reach of Europe’s privacy laws.
The change takes effect next year and follows a similar move announced in February by Google here. Those companies and others have European head offices in Dublin, and the UK's exit from the EU will change its legal relationship with Ireland, which remains in the Union.
Initially, sources briefed on the matter told Reuters about the move. Facebook later confirmed it.
“Like other companies, Facebook has had to make changes to respond to Brexit and will be transferring legal responsibilities and obligations for UK users from Facebook Ireland to Facebook Inc. There will be no change to the privacy controls or the services Facebook offers to people in the UK,” the company’s UK arm said.
Facebook’s UK users will remain subject to UK privacy law, which for now tracks the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). Facebook is making the change partly because the EU privacy regime is among the world’s strictest, according to people familiar with the company. The EU rules give granular control to users over data about them.
In addition, the U.S. Cloud Act, passed in 2018, set a way for the UK and United States to more easily exchange data about cloud computing users.
Privacy advocates fear the UK may move to an even looser data privacy regime, especially as it pursues a trade deal with the United States, which offers far fewer protections. Some also worry that UK Facebook users could more easily be subject to surveillance by U.S. intelligence agencies or data requests from law enforcement.
“The bigger the company, the more personal data they hold, the more they are likely to be subject to surveillance duties or requirements to hand over data to the U.S. government,” said Jim Killock, executive director of the UK-based nonprofit Open Rights Group. U.S. courts have held that constitutional protections against unreasonable searches do not apply to non-citizens overseas.
UK information industry regulators said they had been in touch with Facebook along with companies keeping European headquarters as Brexit nears.
“We are aware of Facebook’s plans and will continue to engage with the company in the new year,” said a spokeswoman at the Information Commissioner’s Office.
Facebook will inform the users of the shift in the next six months, a spokesman said, giving them the option to stop using the world’s largest social network and its Instagram and WhatsApp services.
Facebook’s decision comes at a time when the UK is escalating efforts to ban strong encryption, which Facebook is moving to implement on all its products. The UK, like the European Union, is also pressuring Facebook on a number of other fronts, including hate speech and terrorism policies.
The United States may also pursue new laws on privacy and social media content, and federal and state prosecutors recently launched antitrust lawsuits against both Facebook and Alphabet Inc’s Google. Still, tech lobbyists expect that U.S. tech regulations will remain more industry-friendly than those in the UK.
Exclusive-Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
Facebook Inc will shift all its users in the United Kingdom into user agreements with the corporate headquarters in California, moving them out of their current relationship with Facebook's Irish unit and out of reach of Europe's privacy laws.
uk.reuters.com
December 15, 20206:14 PMUpdated 2 hours ago
Exclusive: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
By Joseph Menn4 Min Read
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Facebook Inc will shift all its users in the United Kingdom into user agreements with the corporate headquarters in California, moving them out of their current relationship with Facebook’s Irish unit and out of reach of Europe’s privacy laws.
The change takes effect next year and follows a similar move announced in February by Google here. Those companies and others have European head offices in Dublin, and the UK's exit from the EU will change its legal relationship with Ireland, which remains in the Union.
Initially, sources briefed on the matter told Reuters about the move. Facebook later confirmed it.
“Like other companies, Facebook has had to make changes to respond to Brexit and will be transferring legal responsibilities and obligations for UK users from Facebook Ireland to Facebook Inc. There will be no change to the privacy controls or the services Facebook offers to people in the UK,” the company’s UK arm said.
Facebook’s UK users will remain subject to UK privacy law, which for now tracks the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). Facebook is making the change partly because the EU privacy regime is among the world’s strictest, according to people familiar with the company. The EU rules give granular control to users over data about them.
In addition, the U.S. Cloud Act, passed in 2018, set a way for the UK and United States to more easily exchange data about cloud computing users.
Privacy advocates fear the UK may move to an even looser data privacy regime, especially as it pursues a trade deal with the United States, which offers far fewer protections. Some also worry that UK Facebook users could more easily be subject to surveillance by U.S. intelligence agencies or data requests from law enforcement.
“The bigger the company, the more personal data they hold, the more they are likely to be subject to surveillance duties or requirements to hand over data to the U.S. government,” said Jim Killock, executive director of the UK-based nonprofit Open Rights Group. U.S. courts have held that constitutional protections against unreasonable searches do not apply to non-citizens overseas.
UK information industry regulators said they had been in touch with Facebook along with companies keeping European headquarters as Brexit nears.
“We are aware of Facebook’s plans and will continue to engage with the company in the new year,” said a spokeswoman at the Information Commissioner’s Office.
Facebook will inform the users of the shift in the next six months, a spokesman said, giving them the option to stop using the world’s largest social network and its Instagram and WhatsApp services.
Facebook’s decision comes at a time when the UK is escalating efforts to ban strong encryption, which Facebook is moving to implement on all its products. The UK, like the European Union, is also pressuring Facebook on a number of other fronts, including hate speech and terrorism policies.
The United States may also pursue new laws on privacy and social media content, and federal and state prosecutors recently launched antitrust lawsuits against both Facebook and Alphabet Inc’s Google. Still, tech lobbyists expect that U.S. tech regulations will remain more industry-friendly than those in the UK.
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Laughing
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You are right of course, in as much that it is a complex issue and as laymen we are interpreting the proposed agreement.
The deal that is now being considered is god awful. It does remove the immediate tarrifs (assuming it is legislated before Jan 1st) which I think is unlikley. In any event it removes the UK's ability to negotiate with other nations without fear of reprisal from the EU in the form of tarrifs, possibly punative. I understand wholly why the EU need this safegaurd because, as you say, no one trusts the current incumbent at no 10.
As days go by I regret more and more that I voted to leave, the scale of the incompetence is beyond anything I considered, and I am an imaginative fella. I will be fine, but the poorest in our society are going to be paying a hefty price, and Johnson with one fell swoop, with this awful deal, has removed the ability to negotiate as a soverign nation with any other nation for, well eternity, without the threat of EU reprisals.
If, as a nation we are not begging for re-entry in 4 years time we are a bunch of idiots. Unfortunately as a manifesto pledge, it's poisonous.