That’s it then. No Deal

SmallTown said:
Here we go, another brexiteer arguing and deflecting and failing to provide any positive. Typical.
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And here we go with another remoaner that asks one question then expects answers to half a dozen more he didnt ask. Typical.

See we can all play this game... its fun
 
Boro_Boro_Boro said:
And here we go with another remoaner that asks one question then expects answers to half a dozen more he didnt ask. Typical.

See we can all play this game... its fun
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I guess you're just going to go round and round proving your ignorance. I'll wait for you to provide an advantage but the longer you go on failing and deflecting the more ignorant you will appear.
 
Isnt it time for Tea gentlemen?
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SmallTown said:
I guess you're just going to go round and round proving your ignorance. I'll wait for you to provide an advantage but the longer you go on failing and deflecting the more ignorant you will appear.
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so you started off asking why we voted for Brexit... you didnt ask me directly so I challenged you to ask me then you change the question to something else before asking me to answer your new question without actually finding out the answer to the original question you didnt actually ask me but asked others..?

and you then accuse me of deflecting :)
 
Boro_Boro_Boro said:
Jesus christ Lefty, So you are basically saying that you want the option of free thought to be banned and punished? That is essentially what you are saying for anyone that thinks outside the box and challenges the current status quo at the time?....

Seems a bit Stalinist if you ask me.
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How on earth have you got to that conclusion?

This isn't about banning free thought, it is about encouraging better thought.

People are free to make mistakes and guess what, people are also free to learn from them and not make them again. And surely that should be the aim?

Do you have a policy in your personal life of continuing to make the same mistake over and over again?

The problem with brexit, indeed with a lot of political choices, is that people did not employ the principles they usually employ in their own lives.

You are absolutely entitled to live in denial, you are absolutely free to make mistakes repeatedly, you are absolutely entitled to remain ignorant if you wish. My question to you is surely that should not be your aim?

What you and still a significant number of brexiters think is that this was a simple difference in values with Remainers. What you really have to understand - it's way overdue, mate - is that there was a difference in thought process long before we ever get to the values part.

If the question is what colour should our new flag be and 52% pick red and 48% pick blue, then red is right answer because it is entirely a value judgement. *

If the question is what does 2+2= and 52% say 5 while only 48% say 4 then in this instance the answer isn't 5 because that is what the majority said it was.

Then there are questions which are a mixture. New cars, for instance, come in a range of colours, but often most of these colours cost more. Now, it may well be that the supplement for the red car is more than the blue. That might put you off, or you might think it is a price worth paying, but at least you made an informed decision.

With Brexit, you could check with experts in What Car and Which magazine who would tell you that Red comes with a pretty hefty price tag, but you chose to listen to Boycey, Swiss Tony and Arfur Daley who said 'don't listen to experts, there is no extra cost, well maybe a tiny one, but we can tell you that once you've signed this binding contract'. Why did you do that? Usually, you wouldn't, but you sooo wanted the red car, didn't you?


* of course in the case of Brexit it ended up being a choice between Blue and Not Blue, which is why many Remainers are angry. You're getting the Yellow, which is what you voted for, since it is Not Blue, but which hardly anyone at the time preferred to Blue. Which is why there should have been a better organised 1st referendum in the first place, or at least a second one once the new colour was decided.
 
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UKLL1981 said:
If you want to compare the two, I’ll happily wager you that we won’t all die the minute we leave the EU like we would if we all jumped off a cliff?

One is killing yourself, the other is leaving a political club...

We know what happens when you jump off a cliff because sadly it’s been done many times before, we’ve never left the EU before so people are guessing what will happen (good or bad) based on their own agenda.
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It's an economic and political union, as was always understood.
 
Lefty said:
How on earth have you got to that conclusion?

This isn't about banning free thought, it is about encouraging better thought.

People are free to make mistakes and guess what, people are also free to learn from them and not make them again. And surely that should be the aim?

Do you have a policy in your personal life of continuing to make the same mistake over and over again?

The problem with brexit, indeed with a lot of political choices, is that people did not employ the principles they usually employ in their own lives.

You are absolutely entitled to live in denial, you are absolutely free to make mistakes repeatedly, you are absolutely entitled to remain ignorant if you wish. My question to you is surely that should not be your aim?

What you and still a significant number of brexiters think is that this was a simple difference in values with Remainers. What you really have to understand - it's way overdue, mate - is that there was a difference in thought process long before we ever get to the values part.

If the question is what colour should our new flag be and 52% pick red and 48% pick blue, then red is right answer because it is entirely a value judgement. *

If the question is what does 2+2= and 52% say 5 while only 48% say 4 then in this instance the answer isn't 5 because that is what the majority said it was.

Then there are questions which are a mixture. New cars, for instance, come in a range of colours, but often most of these colours cost more. Now, it may well be that the supplement for the red car is more than the blue. That might put you off, or you might think it is a price worth paying, but at least you made an informed decision.

With Brexit, you could check with experts in What Car and Which magazine who would tell you that Red comes with a pretty hefty price tag, but you chose to listen to Boycey, Swiss Tony and Arfur Daley who said 'don't listen to experts, there is no extra cost, well maybe a tiny one, but we can tell you that once you've signed this binding contract'. Why did you do that? Usually, you wouldn't, but you sooo wanted the red car, didn't you?


* of course in the case of Brexit it ended up being a choice between Blue and Not Blue, which is why many Remainers are angry. You're getting the Yellow, which is what you voted for, since it is not Blue, but which hardly anyone at the time preferred to Blue. Which is why there should have been a better organised 1st referendum in the first place, or at least a second one once the new colour was decided.
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Better thought is a matter of opinion.

in this case you disagree so you think its bad and are therefore encouraging the people to be held responsible for something that is neither illegal or immoral. thus you are implying that free thought should be banned unless you agree with it
 
Boro_Boro_Boro said:
so you started off asking why we voted for Brexit... you didnt ask me directly so I challenged you to ask me then you change the question to something else before asking me to answer your new question without actually finding out the answer to the original question you didnt actually ask me but asked others..?

and you then accuse me of deflecting :)
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And round and round we go. I'm happy that I've stated my reasons for disliking brexit. Both perceived future problems and actual current problems.

This is why I won't let it rest. Any remainer is happy to do that. Brexiteers like yourself are happy to parade you ignorance. Deflecting and refusing to answer questions because you have too much pride to admit how stupid you are being.
 
SmallTown said:
And round and round we go. I'm happy that I've stated my reasons for disliking brexit. Both perceived future problems and actual current problems.

This is why I won't let it rest. Any remainer is happy to do that. Brexiteers like yourself are happy to parade you ignorance. Deflecting and refusing to answer questions because you have too much pride to admit how stupid you are being.
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As I keep pointing out... you haven't actually asked me a genuine question yet. All you keep doing is telling me I am ignorant. (in your opinion obviously)

I will be happy to consider your question when you finally get round to doing it. (as for answering.... well we will see how nicely you ask first)
 
Boro_Boro_Boro said:
Better thought is a matter of opinion.

in this case you disagree so you think its bad and are therefore encouraging the people to be held responsible for something that is neither illegal or immoral. thus you are implying that free thought should be banned unless you agree with it
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My friend, you still can't tell me what Brexit means half a decade later, what it will cost, nor any actual tangible benefit.

You simply voted for 'something'. That wasn't logical.

Do you go into a restaurant and rather than look at the menu and the prices just order 'not fish'?

There is your test, I say best practice is to ask what I'm getting and the price. Do you disagree?
 
One is killing yourself, the other is leaving a political club...

We know what happens when you jump off a cliff because sadly it’s been done many times before, we’ve never left the EU before *so people are guessing what will happen (good or bad) based on their own agenda.*

Well, that would be the case unless you have read EU Preparedness Notices which were published in 2018.
These give in exact detail what happens 1 minute after the leaving date and time on
No Deal terms
It's not conjecture, a guess or an agenda, it's the membership rules and conditions that we are no longer entitled to share. Across all sectors when we leave a
"Political club"
There is a version still available. Because of extensions and transition it is more truncated than the original....but what's left should give plenty of food for thought
Go and have a look
 
UKLL1981 said:
I’ll wait to see what happens. Certainly not losing any sleep over it. Who knows what’s going to happen but if you don’t go you won’t know. I don’t really listen to the ‘experts’ telling me I’ll be worse off or a bus that tells me I’ll be better off because it’s all driven by personal agendas. Not really a fan of the current status quo for myself or my boys future. I’ll deal with whatever happens but change makes me feel more optimistic than carrying on doing the same when it’s not really working just because you are afraid of the unknown. I like the idea of doing something radically different. Leaving the EU rips up the rule book and will change more for this country than flip flopping back and forth between Tory and Labour governments and I find that pretty exciting. That’s just me though, if I had been born a few hundred years ago I probably would of been on some expedition to the Amazon or Artic, life’s too short not to take risks or a leap of faith into the unknown every now and then, it might be the worst thing we do or it might be the best but at least we will know and we tried.
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Interestung comments these. Protecting your job for your family would have been top of your agenda no doubt. I hope you made the right decision. If I worked in the airline industry (I appreciate you are going through a hard time at the moment for which you have my best wishes) I personally wouldn't have chosen to restrict the movement of people in and out of the country. I respect your decision however much I disagree with it.
 
Boro_Boro_Boro said:
As I keep pointing out... you haven't actually asked me a genuine question yet. All you keep doing is telling me I am ignorant. (in your opinion obviously)

I will be happy to consider your question when you finally get round to doing it. (as for answering.... well we will see how nicely you ask first)
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We both know you won't/can't answer it but I'm going to humour you, which is more than a brexiteer deserves .

Can you name some benefits of brexit that outweigh the reduction in freedom of movement, lack of trade deals and money already spent on Brexit?

I expect you to say "yes" without being able to give them, such is your style.
 
Lefty said:
My friend, you still can't tell me what Brexit means half a decade later, what it will cost, nor any actual tangible benefit.

You simply voted for 'something'. That wasn't logical.

Do you go into a restaurant and rather than look at the menu and the prices just order 'not fish'?

There is your test, I say best practice is to ask what I'm getting and the price. Do you disagree?
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you cant tell me what remaining means after 40 years either.

to use your example... its like going into the restaurant and instead of asking for the menu... you just blindly accept that every diner in their has to eat the exact same thing regardless of any allergies, intolerances or the price.
 
Boro_Boro_Boro said:
you cant tell me what remaining means after 40 years either.

to use your example... its like going into the restaurant and instead of asking for the menu... you just blindly accept that every diner in their has to eat the exact same thing regardless of any allergies, intolerances or the price.
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My analogy was to the referendum.
 
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