The end?

UAF took a lot of ground on the Industrial west side, but the Russians held the town itself. I don't know whether UAF pulled back from there. It was more significant if Zaluznhyi had allowed Tank Girl and our man to go on the offensive and slice off the northern pincer, but he ordered them back.
 
italianjob said:
That seems to be the case. We work with a few Russian devs and they've all moved to Turkey/Germany/Israel etc.. They moved pretty rapidly once things kicked off.
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As I understand it, the Nebula hackers are Russians who left ... and, in my mate's words, they know the systems because the built them.

Outside of the Nebula account though, I'm not seeing much on the twattersphere ... but my mate says it has spread beyond Moscow now.
 
Nero80 said:
Usual Bull from trump?

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump will not give a penny to Ukraine - Hungary PM Orban

"He will not give a penny" and the Russia-Ukraine war will end, claims Viktor Orban after meeting Donald Trump.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The whole world already knew that the orange freak would not support ukraine. How could he in his position as Putin's puppet?
People seem to be falling for this whole thing, all over again, just in the same way they did before he was first elected: half dismissing even the idea he would win and the the other half totally suckered by with his insanity and lies

Lately, and clearly acting on behalf of Putin, Trump has turned on NATO rather than directly oppose aid to Ukraine. I am sure this will be his stance: he will pretend that the reason he wont give aid is because NATO are not paying their way.
I think Euro leaders are setting out their stall to head him off by making these decisions before the orange loon can be in power to change them.
 
MoggasDog said:
The whole world already knew that the orange freak would not support ukraine. How could he in his position as Putin's puppet?
People seem to be falling for this whole thing, all over again, just in the same way they did before he was first elected: half dismissing even the idea he would win and the the other half totally suckered by with his insanity and lies

Lately, and clearly acting on behalf of Putin, Trump has turned on NATO rather than directly oppose aid to Ukraine. I am sure this will be his stance: he will pretend that the reason he wont give aid is because NATO are not paying their way.
I think Euro leaders are setting out their stall to head him off by making these decisions before the orange loon can be in power to change them.
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All the info on here from Borolads mate has basically baked in a European response without ongoing US support whichever geriatric gets voted for in November.

After that it would be up non European countries to decide who is a reliable or unreliable ally with their decisions on continuing support.

Basically if Trump gets in there are going to be a lot of layoffs in the military support industries in the USA and the UK is looking very exposed.
 
Decent_Left said:
All the info on here from Borolads mate has basically baked in a European response without ongoing US support whichever geriatric gets voted for in November.

After that it would be up non European countries to decide who is a reliable or unreliable ally with their decisions on continuing support.

Basically if Trump gets in there are going to be a lot of layoffs in the military support industries in the USA and the UK is looking very exposed.
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Classic 'divide and rule' tactics from Putin, yet again. He has been nurturing Trump for a long time, with or without peepee tapes.
Whether Europe goes it alone, without Trump, it is a huge NATO rift, in the making. Tucker Carlson is Lord Haw Haw, paving the way with his propaganda.
I just do not see how Ukraine survives this war without US support. Macron can talk a good fight but, as Putin knows very, very well, without the Yanks, Europe is nowt.
 
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Nero80 said:
Usual Bull from trump?

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump will not give a penny to Ukraine - Hungary PM Orban

"He will not give a penny" and the Russia-Ukraine war will end, claims Viktor Orban after meeting Donald Trump.
www.bbc.co.uk
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.....and why on God's green earth, would a US Presidential candidate go to the trouble of inviting over the Prime Minister of fuc.king Hungary? How is that a vote clincher in a country with people that do not have one iota of a clue who this person is or the country he comes from?

It just so happens that the same fella is actually a little dictator who is openly supportive to Putin and held up Sweden's entry to NATO.
 
MoggasDog said:
Classic 'dive and rule' tactics from Putin, yet again. He has been nurturing Trump for a long time, with or without peepee tapes.
Whether Europe goes it alone, without Trump, it is a huge NATO rift, in the making. Tucker Carlson is Lord Haw Haw, paving the way with his propaganda.
I just do not see how Ukraine survives this war without US support. Macron can talk a good fight but, as Putin knows very, very well, without the Yanks, Europe is nowt.
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It will survive and thrive afterwards without US support. It will just take longer.

Without the US nuclear deterrent still leaves the French and if we can find the right screwdriver ours as well. It doesn’t take that many to absolutely threaten annhialation.

As for manpower the Poles, Swedes, Finns to pick 3 are all better armed and prepared than Ukraine was when whichever of the Putins thought it would be a walk in the park.

This is where I am at right now based on ignoring mainstream western media preoccupation with the state of the US presidential election and taking as much as I can from the Swedish General and respectable open source reporting from CEE countries. Ukraine will win. Ruzzia will be put in a European designed box probably with a label written in French on it and the USA will be running around like a headless chicken for years trying to make friends again as a reliable partner to everyone it’s let down IF Trump does what Orban says he will.
 
MoggasDog said:
.....and why on God's green earth, would a US Presidential candidate go to the trouble of inviting over the Prime Minister of fuc.king Hungary? How is that a vote clincher in a country with people that do not have one iota of a clue who this person is or the country he comes from?

It just so happens that the same fella is actually a little dictator who is openly supportive to Putin and held up Sweden's entry to NATO.
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I did think thats a bit strange too…
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I'm sat here watching 20 days in Mariupol. You know it is bad but I don't think any of us can comprehend how bad it is for the Ukrainians.
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Its awful. Seeing kids slaughtered would break the hardest of hearts. I could only watch it in parts. A four year old getting CPR but not surviving.......words can't describe.
Seeing people mourn their kids - jesus, any parent in the world - its our worst nightmare.
 
MoggasDog said:
Its awful. Seeing kids slaughtered would break the hardest of hearts. I could only watch it in parts. A four year old getting CPR but not surviving.......words can't describe.
Seeing people mourn their kids - jesus, any parent in the world - its our worst nightmare.
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And that is why my friend is out there, doing horrible work.

Things got busy overnight. Another incursion by Russian freedom fighters

And many military/oil infrastructure targets hit overnight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1767449255738785838
 
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