The Highest Excess Mortality Rate in Europe

[Wev1]

If it was as easy to navigate through this situation as some of the political experts on here seem to think, then I Starmer would have slammed the government.

He didn't. I thought it was a good insight. I was impressed with him actually.

Nah, no way, the tactics for this would be completely wrong for an opposition party. It's just not the time for that, there's literally nothing to gain by them doing that now, and the Tory press would no doubt just brand it insensitive and then the Corbyn haters (not Labour haters) would just end up being Starmer haters.

That's what's been impressive by Starmer, he's actually playing it right, and convincing people that were anti Corbyn.

He's also giving the press very little ammo, so much so that some of the Tory press are even questioning the Tories in parts. The papers seem to follow just to the right of where that movable section of voters are in the middle of Labour/ Tories. If the Corbyn haters move back over towards Labour, then they will still peddle out Tory crap, but it will be a lot less hard right.

 

[Wev1]

I asked her to ask her boss at work what the situation with PPE was as we have two young kids at home who I would like to bring up as a full family. I've told her the first sign of a shortage of PPE she is not to go to work, call me selfish I don't care, my family is more important than anybody else.

Yeah, have a very close family member working on a Covid ward (who actually got infected on the ward) and a I know a few nurses in other areas at James Cook etc, I said the same thing to them, but they all pretty much said that they have PPE, but they don't think it's the right PPE. But regardless they would just go to work anyway, even if there was a risk to them, as that's just what nurses are like, they put the people before themselves. I rather selfishly and thinking on their part would rather they looked after themselves first (same as you with your missus), but they just won't as they're not as selfish as me, but it's better for the public that they're like that.

A also know 100's of people that wouldn't have the bottle to question their boss in any scenario, or would just think that their boss is doing right for the staff all the time. Funny thing is it seems to correlate with low paid workers, like nearly every low paid retail worker I know seems pretty much brainwashed by their company, that they're "looked after" and some even say they're on "good money". From the outside it looks like they have Stockholm Syndrome, or just live in so much fear that they tow the dictators line.

 

[Randy]

Totally get what you are saying wev. Suppose my missus is one of the lucky ones, constantly updated on what's happening, her boss rings up on her days off to see how she is getting on.
I appreciate not every care company or home will be the same, I just think we all need to move away from this of its bad in one hopsital/care home then its bad in all of them that's all.

 

[Wev1]

Now I get that not everyone care home in the country will be in the same situation but I can't work out how people can blame the government fully if private care home operators aren't on the ball too?

There's a big difference between the two though:

1. The government has intelligence it gives to the public/ care homes, but the government has this first
2. The government has intelligence it doesn't give to the public/ care homes at all
3. The government will be passing info onto the NHS, that care homes won't get
4. The care homes will not have even heard of Exercise Cygnus
5. Care homes probably don't have any virology specialists
6. The care homes are still a business
7. The care homes will be doing all they can tooth and nail to not have their people die, for two reasons, they won't want them dying and also, they want them still living there and paying. It's brutal, but it's reality.

That care home over in Stainton has lost what, 70 people, at what cost, maybe £500 per week, that's like 150k per month. I know it's really really awful talking about the numbers, but I bet my life that someone there is saying "we need to keep these people alive, or we're going to go broke".

Sorry if the above comes across as insensitive to anyone on here, it's not meant to, it's just meant to highlight the likely thinking of at least a small department of the care home owners (who will have to be thinking this way).

 

[Wev1]

Totally get what you are saying wev. Suppose my missus is one of the lucky ones, constantly updated on what's happening, her boss rings up on her days off to see how she is getting on.
I appreciate not every care company or home will be the same, I just think we all need to move away from this of its bad in one hopsital/care home then its bad in all of them that's all.

Yeah, it does sound better for her, which is great. Be careful though, as there are some smiling knives or just inept. I know plenty that praise their bosses and are in whatsapp groups with other staff and their bosses etc, yet when the staff need support or help, they don't get any as the boss just says "we're in the same situation as you". When it's the actual bosses who should be standing up to the area managers etc, but that's more to do with weak bosses, which seems to come hand in hand with those who are too pally with the staff.

 

[hopesoboro]

Plus this 3 week headstart stuff is b***ks.

It's been in this country undetected since the New Year. That science group in Iceland basically confirmed that in the interview on sky news yesterday.

It's also fairly obvious to anybody with any common sense that China has more deaths and infections than any other country, not that it's a competition which some people would make you believe.

Why would Tory government,Trump,media cover up Chinese death totals?

 

[hopesoboro]

I totally agree with that. It was why I was impressed with him. He was calm and assured. Much better than someone standing in opposition and screaming.

Can't remember Jeremy screaming!

 

[newusername]

That care home over in Stainton has lost what, 70 people

17.

 

[Laughing]

Can't remember Jeremy screaming!

Hopesboro, I thought the same thing, sometimes you have to hold other parties to account. Yes you have to do it sensitively, given the current circumstances.

 

[Randy]

Yeah, it does sound better for her, which is great. Be careful though, as there are some smiling knives or just inept. I know plenty that praise their bosses and are in whatsapp groups with other staff and their bosses etc, yet when the staff need support or help, they don't get any as the boss just says "we're in the same situation as you". When it's the actual bosses who should be standing up to the area managers etc, but that's more to do with weak bosses, which seems to come hand in hand with those who are too pally with the staff.

Yeah we've spoke about that before as I had a similar experience with a place I worked in years ago.

Why would Tory government,Trump,media cover up Chinese death totals?

To be fair Trump has said he doesn't believe the figures in China
As for a cover up, could you imagine what would have happened across the world had it been suddenly reported that 50,000 Chinese people had died because of a virus that had now spread across the world?

 

[Cuthbert]

Fair enough. Obviously it wasn't all the time.

I think Starmer will prove to be considerably more electable than his predecessor.

 

[Laughing]

Fair enough. Obviously it wasn't all the time.

I think Starmer will prove to be considerably more electable than his predecessor.

I hope you are right Cuthbert. I liked Corbyn, but ultimately he failed, despite his forward thinking policies. If your party isn't behind you, it is going to be very difficult to get the electorate to support you where news is delivered in 256 characters and memes.

 

[1finny]

I hope you are right Cuthbert. I liked Corbyn, but ultimately he failed, despite his forward thinking policies. If your party isn't behind you, it is going to be very difficult to get the electorate to support you where news is delivered in 256 characters and memes.

Starmer will need more than being really good. He will need to have some sort of dialogue with The Mail, Telegraph and Sun.
Those newspapers may not have wide circulation but their owners are influential throughout the world.

 

[spanishman]

I hope you are right Cuthbert. I liked Corbyn, but ultimately he failed, despite his forward thinking policies. If your party isn't behind you, it is going to be very difficult to get the electorate to support you where news is delivered in 256 characters and memes.

Electing Corbyn as leader was a tactical error by the Labour party. He was always going to be too easy a target whatever you think of his policies. I said that at the time and I stand by it now.

 

[Laughing]

Electing Corbyn as leader was a tactical error by the Labour party. He was always going to be too easy a target whatever you think of his policies. I said that at the time and I stand by it now.

You are probably right SM, but had the party got behind him in 2017 I believe he would have won that election.