The Highest Excess Mortality Rate in Europe

FFS Broken Record

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I have to agree.

Twitter for example has been a cesspool for a few days now. It's almost as if people want to know when someone has died literally the second after the unfortunate soul is brain dead.
Bear and Billy on here break it down into layman's terms but there are hundreds of different graphs on the internet and on TV and they just constantly barrage you with ****.

I get this country has done a shocking job but what exactly does anybody want to do about it right now? PPE? On order apparently. Stopping deaths? Well these people who have died could have been infected 3 weeks ago, could have flouted the special measures, could have died of something else completely.

The news everyday is just a constant barrage of **** news with NONE of them offering any sort of solution to the problem, it's enough to drive some people to the brink. You try to be optimistic and look for hope and you get told it's b***ks and it'll never happen etc etc.

**** me.
 
I mean when you look at the excess deaths today... Far more 'excess' from non covid deaths. That's before you even look at what a covid death is...

The press have scared people so much that they darent go to F***ing hospital and all you lot can say is **** the Tories.. Well yes don't vote for them I won't but meanwhile we sit in our homes, deprive our immune system of the energy it needs and become sedentary. Yet all of you lot shouting the Tories down also want to be further locked in, wake up.
 
Spot on Randy Savage, I'm sick of hearing about it to be honest. Many of the posters on here seem to revel in the doom and gloom, anything to reinforce their political stance. As if anything they say makes a difference to the situation (n)

I'm not interested in politics btw. Billy and Bear provide good stats without the political bias...
 
Thousands have died due to the weak actions of this government. People are right to question this, its not political point scoring. Yes its news probably isnt what a lot of you want to hear but this is happening right now

But its not just the government's fault JM14 and I say this as a man who has never voted Tory.
The Chinese, the world health organisation and the general **** ing public who bent and flouted the special measures are all to blame yet all you hear is the government should do this the government should do that with no solution of their own to fix the problems they are ranting about.
Piers Morgan and his lap dog Susannah Reid are a prime example of it.
 
Thousands have died due to the weak actions of this government. People are right to question this, its not political point scoring. Yes its news probably isnt what a lot of you want to hear but this is happening right now


It absolutely IS political point scoring...I'm sick of hearing it !
 
But its not just the government's fault JM14 and I say this as a man who has never voted Tory.
The Chinese, the world health organisation and the general **** ing public who bent and flouted the special measures are all to blame yet all you hear is the government should do this the government should do that with no solution of their own to fix the problems they are ranting about.
Piers Morgan and his lap dog Susannah Reid are a prime example of it.

Yes a lot of this is completely out of the governments control, but many other countries are managing significantly better
We had 3 weeks head start on the majority of Europe yet we are going to end up with one of the highest death rates.
This government has underfunded the NHS to the point of collapse for years to the point where staff dont have the correct protection and some will die due to this. In one of the strongest economies on the planet this can never be acceptable.
Testing has been a complete farce and continues to be

I cant stand Morgan but he is absolutely right to question the government on how they are managing this, because their incompetence is killing people, all journalists should be doing this
 
Yes a lot of this is completely out of the governments control, but many other countries are managing significantly better
We had 3 weeks head start on the majority of Europe yet we are going to end up with one of the highest death rates.
This government has underfunded the NHS to the point of collapse for years to the point where staff dont have the correct protection and some will die due to this. In one of the strongest economies on the planet this can never be acceptable.
Testing has been a complete farce and continues to be

I cant stand Morgan but he is absolutely right to question the government on how they are managing this, because their incompetence is killing people, all journalists should be doing this
I get this I do, but what exactly do you want to happen right now?

On the subject of PPE, why aren't NHS management getting dragged over the coals like the government is? On the subject of care homes why aren't the private owners of these care homes that make up 80% in this country getting slaughtered in the press? Why aren't the Chinese government getting flogged and questioned about why they let this virus loose worldwide?

The whole crisis has been politicised since Boris announced the pubs were shutting and that's a disgrace to the people who have passed away due to this virus.

There will be race all day Wednesday to draw the best graph to make sure we become the number one country in the world for deaths and infections due to covid-19 no matter what it takes. Sounds bonkers right? Well that's the impression I'm getting recently.
 
Fair enough JM but how do you know they have needlessly died JM, is it all down to the Tories ?

Plenty on here going on about people not respecting the lockdown you sure that's got nothing to do with it ?
 
More than 10% of the world's coronavirus deaths have been in the UK so far and today UK announced the highest number of deaths in the world bar USA - and Hancock and Johnson call this success. Looks like we'll end up with over 40000 deaths many avoidable if we'd been properly staffed, properly prepared, had proper PPE and mass tested, isolated and traced contacts from the start as WHO said we should
 
Plus this 3 week headstart stuff is b***ks.

It's been in this country undetected since the New Year. That science group in Iceland basically confirmed that in the interview on sky news yesterday.

It's also fairly obvious to anybody with any common sense that China has more deaths and infections than any other country, not that it's a competition which some people would make you believe.
 
I get this I do, but what exactly do you want to happen right now?

On the subject of PPE, why aren't NHS management getting dragged over the coals like the government is? On the subject of care homes why aren't the private owners of these care homes that make up 80% in this country getting slaughtered in the press? Why aren't the Chinese government getting flogged and questioned about why they let this virus loose worldwide?

The whole crisis has been politicised since Boris announced the pubs were shutting and that's a disgrace to the people who have passed away due to this virus.

There will be race all day Wednesday to draw the best graph to make sure we become the number one country in the world for deaths and infections due to covid-19 no matter what it takes. Sounds bonkers right? Well that's the impression I'm getting recently.

Damage has already been done, it doesnt mean they shouldnt be held to account over it though. But testing is no where near what is required, or was promised either and isnt accessible to those who need it.

To question the governments shocking response isnt just politicising it, the families of the dead need answers and the public need reassurance that these failures wont be repeated

The graphs might not be what you want to see, none of us do but these are the facts unfortunately. The UK is heading towards having one of the highest death rates
 
Damage has already been done, it doesnt mean they shouldnt be held to account over it though. But testing is no where near what is required, or was promised either and isnt accessible to those who need it.

To question the governments shocking response isnt just politicising it, the families of the dead need answers and the public need reassurance that these failures wont be repeated

The graphs might not be what you want to see, none of us do but these are the facts unfortunately. The UK is heading towards having one of the highest death rates
I'm not saying they don't need holding to account I agree they do.
But every day is exactly the same as the day before at the moment in the media. The media have a duty to not be bias and to report on everything happening. Yet they will never report on the people who have recovered from a stay in hospital for example.

I already know tomorrows headlines.

PPE, Death rate, Testing, death rate.


What's the point in us locking down and wearing face masks and social distancing when the media expects us all to die anyways.
 
Fair enough JM but how do you know they have needlessly died JM, is it all down to the Tories ?

Plenty on here going on about people not respecting the lockdown you sure that's got nothing to do with it ?

This lock down has been completely half arsed to the point people dont know the correct rules, it was far too late in happening and even once it did the government still allowed people an extra night to take the ****. They let international sporting events go ahead with thousands coming from abroad without any checks. Wonder how many deaths the few extra weeks of football and cheltenham caused
 
The problem is that it IS political. There's no escaping from the fact that successive right of centre governments have slowly (and ever more quickly) eroded and degraded the functions of society in general and the NHS as a specific. Brexit hasn't come up yet on this thread but it isn't that long ago that hundreds, if not thousands, of nurses were packing their bags because of the hostility in the UK.

We were promised that contact tracing was being done from the first confirmed case in the UK, whilst behind the scenes the government were putting together their herd-immunity response. When they announced that a very lot of doctors and scientists declared it madness. If you're not interested in politics then you might not have seen how angry the response was as it didn't make the main news in quite as big a way as Boris Johnson being on GMT did.

The PPE scandal is in large part a response to the fact that (a) the government haven't done nearly enough to secure PPE - UK companies were still shipping supplies abroad only last week. They had offered it to the governement and been ignored in favour of the likes of Dyson and Thiel.

And, probably more importantly (b) the fact that we know there was an excercise that highlighted this very problem and they decided not to do anything about it. Even if they only did something as the first rumours of a potentially pandemic causing virus were circulating, it would have put us in a far better position.

Whether ****-up or casual indifference to the vulnerable, we'll probably never know the full truth, but every single avoidable death is a stain on this government. Anyone not wanting answers until this blows over is being politi al whether they want to be or not. If anything the media and the opposition aren't being aggressive enough in their questioning.
 
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