Quicksilvera
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Simply not true. Steffen was poor today granted but he’s been great since carrick arrived.
* The Unofficial "Official" Boro v Burnley Match-Day Thread *
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Lemmy_kilmister
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If McGree and Hackney are to develop we need midfielders who they are going to learn from.
But I don't think Howson is one of them.
But I don't think Howson is one of them.
Alzi
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At his age Howson shouldn’t be starting every game.
Then again, Mowatt plays like he’s in an over 60s league so I’m not sure we have an abundance of competition.
Lemmy_kilmister
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Hackney and McGree will be teaching Mowatt. He should be the first one down the road come the 31st Dec.
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rbmfc1985
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Muniz definitely, unfortunately. He seems to have all of the physical and technical abilities to be a great striker. But he just doesn't have it tactically or mentally yet. He is a player with potential but he's not our player so we can't be spending our time giving him minutes to reach that potential when it'd be to our detriment. If we could get him on a permanent I'd be saying differently, but that's not going to happen.
Mowatt, I'm torn on. He's a good player who might be useful if we get injuries or loss of form in midfield. Especially as we really lack experience in midfield. But I can't see him being happy to sit on the bench for the rest of the season waiting for an opportunity to open up. He's not good enough to be a regular starter (which made the loan decision a strange one) but he's nowhere near as poor as people on here make out.
Steffan is really frustrating. I don't see us getting a better goalkeeper in January so we can't terminate that loan But he's going to cost us points. He almost cost us in the Luton game taking too long over a clearance and hitting it into their player. Luckily it went wide, but his casual approach is a worry in every game. It's also something that can't be coached out of him.
Glover_elbow
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I think we might need to think of who's playing ahead of Giles. Riley McGree whilst great going forward won't double up and help out defensively compounding are weakness on the left
Muniz is the most frustrating for me.
I see occasional flashes of class that promises but never delivers.
Like Steffen, he's done himself no favours with this loan spell.
Maybe it's an attitude thing. They think they're here to just tread water before better things.
But, I don't even see a Championship side taking a punt on them if they get flogged.
ForssAwakens
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What I have noticed is we don’t look the same side after the break as we did before the break. Although there is a lot of positives from a settled side it feels like no one made an impression during the 3 weeks he had to assess the players.
I’m worried that due to woodgate’s previous time here, have djksteel and bola been wrote off (hope not)
Only slight concerns I have on reflection of the last 2 games, but something to keep an eye on
I’m worried that due to woodgate’s previous time here, have djksteel and bola been wrote off (hope not)
Only slight concerns I have on reflection of the last 2 games, but something to keep an eye on
indeedido
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I hate going to Burnley and today was no exception, it was miserable.
Fry and Lenihan are the only players to emerge with big credit, I thought they did well under constant pressure - much of it from their own idiot of a goalkeeper. Akpom showed flashes of class too.
Our midfield were completely outplayed, which meant our defence was under relentless pressure and our forward players were absolutely starved.
I was more impressed by Burnley than I've ever been in the past. They deserved to win.
Obviously if we get the penalty awarded when one up and we score it, then we may well have brought the points home, but they were miles better than us today all over the pitch.
Giles was horribly exposed defensively and offered absolutely nothing going forward. He wasn't helped by McGree floating around inconsequentially rather than playing with him.
But Steffen gave as bad a goalkeeping performance as I can remember.
He just put immense pressure on his defence with his total fannying about.
He luckily got to half time level, but the first was pathetic and the second even worse. His performance was a goalkeeping horror show.
If your keeper is creating more danger than the opposition you are in trouble.
He was lucky not to cost a stupid goal against Luton. He is a continual danger.
We are a long way off Burnley's level at the moment, but could still make the playoffs. It will take a lot more than we showed today however.
Fry and Lenihan are the only players to emerge with big credit, I thought they did well under constant pressure - much of it from their own idiot of a goalkeeper. Akpom showed flashes of class too.
Our midfield were completely outplayed, which meant our defence was under relentless pressure and our forward players were absolutely starved.
I was more impressed by Burnley than I've ever been in the past. They deserved to win.
Obviously if we get the penalty awarded when one up and we score it, then we may well have brought the points home, but they were miles better than us today all over the pitch.
Giles was horribly exposed defensively and offered absolutely nothing going forward. He wasn't helped by McGree floating around inconsequentially rather than playing with him.
But Steffen gave as bad a goalkeeping performance as I can remember.
He just put immense pressure on his defence with his total fannying about.
He luckily got to half time level, but the first was pathetic and the second even worse. His performance was a goalkeeping horror show.
If your keeper is creating more danger than the opposition you are in trouble.
He was lucky not to cost a stupid goal against Luton. He is a continual danger.
We are a long way off Burnley's level at the moment, but could still make the playoffs. It will take a lot more than we showed today however.
Glover_elbow
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Mcgree and giles against a good winger is a disaster waiting to happen. if Aitor was still manager he would goes nuts at mcgree as a wide man for shirking his defensive duties.
ForssAwakens
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McGree is playing a false position, or that’s how I interpret how he’s playing. He’s more of come in central from playing there meaning he can’t do the defensive duty expected of left sided midfield /winger.
I think he’s seen as one of better players and they don’t want him out wide left given when giles can get forward he provide a wide left outlet
TheWolfman
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Whatever the other players did over the break we were always going to start with the team that had been winning. We looked exactly the same we sat in and played possession football and hit on the counter.
The difference being in previous games we capitalised on the first goal. We should of had a pen and were playing a much fitter, stronger and more organised team today.
I agree on options tho
We need better players 0n the bench and players like Jones to make better decisions on the pitch. Giles is very poor defensively and if he doesn't get forward like today hes pointless. We need more options
Cosmonaut
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Haven't got a chance to read any of the previous posts from today ... I watched the match, though.
Must admit, the reality check sort of kicked me in the gut after having such a feel-good factor around the place in our recent runs. Beat some very, very good sides against the odds too, such as Norwich away, so I was expecting to get something out of today.
It was absolutely awful IMO, totally overwhelming and a performance to really give them a slap in the face to see how much work there still is to be done.
What was up with Chuba's body language as he goes up to take that penalty?? Fair enough it was a loss but a chance to keep his numbers up ... he skulked around like someone had shot his dog and took one of the most feeble efforts I have seen in ages. He should have given it to someone else if he made his mind up he couldn't score.
I hope he does not carry that negativity into the next game and gets back in with the goals. If he wants to be a proper striker he should want to score goals whenever he can get them, regardless of the situation. He should have gone all out to convert that, it annoyed me.
It's clear how much we need strengthening.. massively
Mistakes on both sides today, managerial and on the pitch with the players and it was depressing stuff to watch, in general. I thought we had the ability to at least give them a go with a different plan, but we just couldn't cope for sh1te. You'd have thought we were playing Real Madrid at one point. Only fking Burnley! We could have got something. In general, I think the players were a 4 at best around the pitch if lucky, was surprised to see how difficult they found it given the run we were on. What was it?? the cold weather???
I was hoping for a point but that would have been lucky once the game got going, terrible performance ..
Fk1ng can't stand Burnley. What a rubbish day .... I am hoping for a response with a win in our next game, but we are conceding a lot of goals. Something needs to change quickly for us to have the slightest chance of keeping up with the top-six chasing pack.
I am looking forward to seeing how we strengthen in January ... I don't think too much will happen, couple of tweaks here and there. But hopefully, improve us, and help us stop picking the ball out of our net every game for a response. Or just picking it out like when we were getting leathered today.
Must admit, the reality check sort of kicked me in the gut after having such a feel-good factor around the place in our recent runs. Beat some very, very good sides against the odds too, such as Norwich away, so I was expecting to get something out of today.
It was absolutely awful IMO, totally overwhelming and a performance to really give them a slap in the face to see how much work there still is to be done.
What was up with Chuba's body language as he goes up to take that penalty?? Fair enough it was a loss but a chance to keep his numbers up ... he skulked around like someone had shot his dog and took one of the most feeble efforts I have seen in ages. He should have given it to someone else if he made his mind up he couldn't score.
I hope he does not carry that negativity into the next game and gets back in with the goals. If he wants to be a proper striker he should want to score goals whenever he can get them, regardless of the situation. He should have gone all out to convert that, it annoyed me.
It's clear how much we need strengthening.. massively
Mistakes on both sides today, managerial and on the pitch with the players and it was depressing stuff to watch, in general. I thought we had the ability to at least give them a go with a different plan, but we just couldn't cope for sh1te. You'd have thought we were playing Real Madrid at one point. Only fking Burnley! We could have got something. In general, I think the players were a 4 at best around the pitch if lucky, was surprised to see how difficult they found it given the run we were on. What was it?? the cold weather???
I was hoping for a point but that would have been lucky once the game got going, terrible performance ..
Fk1ng can't stand Burnley. What a rubbish day .... I am hoping for a response with a win in our next game, but we are conceding a lot of goals. Something needs to change quickly for us to have the slightest chance of keeping up with the top-six chasing pack.
I am looking forward to seeing how we strengthen in January ... I don't think too much will happen, couple of tweaks here and there. But hopefully, improve us, and help us stop picking the ball out of our net every game for a response. Or just picking it out like when we were getting leathered today.
HolgateCorner
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I don’t think we were that bad or the difference was so big as suggested above.
I think the Akpom penalty turn down did change the game in that I don’t think Burnley would have come back from 2 down and it looked stone wall in the box from where I was stood. Apparently the ref said there was not enough contact? Another bad decision more like.
Burnley passed around at the back a lot but until their first goal didn’t hurt us much at all. They are a huff and puff busy team in my view and having gone ahead I feel a bit disappointed, I think our poor defending second half let them in rather than Burnley brilliance.
Giles seems to have gone off the boil going forward and his defending is not marvellous, this needs sorting out.
I think the Akpom penalty turn down did change the game in that I don’t think Burnley would have come back from 2 down and it looked stone wall in the box from where I was stood. Apparently the ref said there was not enough contact? Another bad decision more like.
Burnley passed around at the back a lot but until their first goal didn’t hurt us much at all. They are a huff and puff busy team in my view and having gone ahead I feel a bit disappointed, I think our poor defending second half let them in rather than Burnley brilliance.
Giles seems to have gone off the boil going forward and his defending is not marvellous, this needs sorting out.
TheWolfman
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They pushed us back and rarely let us out apart from mistakes we didn't capitalise on. They played us brilliantly. Kept Giles penned in, fouled akpom at every opportunity and doubled up on Jones.
Dyce esque really. They are a far better team than us but we have a good future.
HolgateCorner
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‘Fouled akpom at every opportunity‘ - yes and the ref just let it happen.
They did push us back but I think we made mistakes which let them in rather than anything they did.
At the other end we scored, missed a penalty and had a stone waller turned down.
On another day, a different outcome.
Simply red
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We shall see. Win next week and the play offs are on.
LB - would move Giles forward /- Manning - B Williams loan
CM - Barlaser linked / Ettiene Camara / Lundstrum / Alan Campbell / Josh Campbell
AM / Winger - Pellistri / Archer / Sorba Thomas / Siriki Dembele / Hugo Vetlesen / Mehmeti
CF - Stewart / Miovski /Paulinho - Estrela cf / Bruno Petkovic / Said Hamulic / Jamie McLaren / Adebayo / Carlton Morris/ another
MC has said 3 in maybe 4.
In MC we trust .
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TheWolfman
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I agree the ref was poor for the fouls on akpom. They punished our mistakes and the goals were all avoidable.
Defo a pena and the penalty miss I think the game was gone anyway.
Just one to forget and move on. It wasn't a great game they seemed to get the luck at the right moments
indeedido
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Christ lads they were miles better than us.