* The Unofficial Tees - Wear "derby". Boro v Mackems match-day thread *

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r00fie1

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Its not just that time again - its much more important than that!

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There is so much riding on this game for the Boro.
We sit 22nd in the Championship.
Just 6 points out of a possible 21.
From West Brom in [15th] - Boro are the only team on double figures scored [10].
But, the problem has been the defence - 12 conceded.
It adds up to very disappointed reading.

Whether we have played well , not had the "rub of the green" or been gutted by injury time goals - we have to start winning games.
OK, we`ve not achieved the objective of bringing in all the players we wanted. But, the transfer window is closed and we have to get on with it.
Chris Wilder said from the beginning, rebuilding the team and the Management structure is a "big job".
Since relegation from the Premiership, we`ve bumped along and never sorted out the fundamental issues.
Too many players floating around from previous regimes.
Too many players who appeared to have come for a parking spot.
Too many players just seeing out their careers.

But, it takes more than a matter of months to turn this ship around.
Much depends on the market, and we neither have the cash to spend, nor the intent, so we dont end up in the place we1ve been before: landed with average players on big contracts, who cost us more than the return.

Chris Wilder is an excellent Manager with a history of success - but he, like all of us is "feeling the pain".
He said in a recent press conference the "no one is feeling happy" [at this club] at the moment.
Hes taken responsibility. But responsibility rests not just him, but the players, the Recruitment Team, the Coaches and the Management Team.
Yes, its early still [38 games to go], but the time has to be now!
The lads need to roll up their sleeves and show they have the balls to play what we pay hard-earned money for.
No excuses, no apportioning blame - our job is to get behind the lads and roar them on.

Its going to be an electric atmosphere, especially with a "Boro Legend" sat in the opposition dug-out.
Its inconceivable we lose to the Mackems.
Its a little over 12 hours before kick off.
A crowd of 30,000+ is expected.
Its going to be a warm night.

Come on.

UTMB!
 
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MATCH-DAY PREVIEW:

It was heartbreak for Middlesbrough during midweek as they fell to another narrow defeat when losing 2-1 at Watford. Boss Chris Wilder said that it was “meant to be'' for the Hornets as they celebrated 100 years at Vicarage Road on Tuesday night, but that didn’t help Boro’s supposed promotion push as they’ve now won just one of their opening seven league matches (D3, L3).

Luckily for Wilder and his team the matches come thick and fast with nothing better than local pride at stake to focus the mind, as Sunderland roll into town in what will be the 150th Tees-Wear Derby (MID: W50, D38, L61). This is Middlesbrough’s main rivalry and while the ferocity is not quite at the levels of the Tyne-Wear derby for the visitors, the Boro can take confidence from their current six-game unbeaten run in H2Hs (W5, D1).

There’s a bit of extra spice added to this encounter as new Sunderland manager Tony Mowbray is a proud Teessider. Having made 348 appearances for Boro in defence, Mowbray joked that his Boro season-ticket holding son wasn’t too happy about the appointment, but his self-proclaimed “love football and the North East teams” was the major factor in his quick return to management.
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Also receiving a mixed reaction from fans on news of his appointment due to his Boro connections, Mowbray got off to the perfect start with a convincing 3-0 win over Rotherham on Wednesday to leave them on 11 points this season. Whilst the understated coach won’t worry too much about personal ratings, he knows that keeping pace with the play-off places in hope of ending their six-season exile from the top-flight, will keep fans onside. The Black Cats will now look to notch a third win in the opening four away games of a league campaign for the first time since 1963/64 - a season which saw them promoted to the top-flight!

Players to watch:

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Rodrigo Muniz showed he is an aerial threat with his headed first goal for Middlesbrough against Watford, and has scored a header on three of his last four scoring appearances. As for Sunderland, Ross Stewart contributed to all three goals in their 3-0 rout of Rotherham last time out (G2, A1). He’s netted first in his last three scoring appearances.
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Hot stat: Mowbray is unbeaten in ten of his 12 personal H2Hs with Boro (W5, D5) but lost four of his five against

*https://www.flashscore.co.uk/match/pxANBYrh/#/match-summary
 
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Tony Mowbray has previewed his second game in charge of Sunderland ahead of Monday night, when he makes a return to his native Teesside to face Middlesbrough.

The new Head Coach started life on Wearside with a bang on Wednesday night, as the Lads roared to a 3-0 victory over Rotherham United.

“It’s been a whirlwind few days personally, of course,” Mowbray remarked.

“Having got to know the place this week, the facilities are really impressive, but at a football club it’s about the people in the building rather than the building itself.

“Everyone has been really helpful, and we had a game the day after I entered the building which couldn’t have gone much better. I feel refreshed and ready to go, and Monday is a huge opportunity to continue from Wednesday and look to win the game.”

The boss touched on his time at Boro – a place fans still avidly support him having both played for and managed the club – before commending what he has witnessed early on from his new squad of players.

“I played and managed down the road at Middlesbrough for a long time, as is well established, but I’m a professional. I’m Sunderland Head Coach now and we’re going to try to win every game.

“In my short time with the players, they appear to be a young, motivated and driven group who are quite tight-knit. I’m huge on helping footballers to develop, and I see a very switched-on group here.

“Having grown up in the North East, managing Sunderland, managing Middlesbrough, I know the environment and the people who come to the matches. I lived and breathed that myself, and as a result it’s the kind of culture I look to instil into my football team.”

Mowbray stressed that supporters will see a dedicated and highly charged performance from his side against Chris Wilder’s men, with the Lads sat just three points from the summit of the Sky Bet Championship table.

“The teams I’ve managed in the past against Middlesbrough at the Riverside, we’ve usually tended to pick up good results. I hope and expect us to go down there on Monday and give a really good account of ourselves.

“In games like these, every tackle, every ball and every duel – the game looks after itself, and the atmosphere from the supporters comes with that. We’ll contest every ball ferociously – they tend to be tight games, and we’re looking forward to it.

“Any kind of reception I don’t really think about. Of course there is an affection there as I spent 12 years of my life at Middlesbrough. But like I say, this is my job, this is where I’m proud to work and we’ll be doing everything we can to get three points on Monday night.”

*https://safc.com/news/team-news/2022/september/middlesbrough/mowbray-pre-middlesbrough-away
 
Beyond our Wilderest Dreams
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Much speculation has been swirling around during the transfer window and Chris Wilder has questioned the ludicrous decision to close the window after the season has started.

In his most recent press conference he was pragmatic [but clearly annoyed] that we hadnt completed all the recruitment he had expected. Speaking of "particulalry the one position" he refered to another striker. But there are positions to fill further back in the midfield and defence. He was also concerned that we havent got "strength in depth" for all the key positions. There is the question of bringing in younger players and putting them into the first team. Chris was clear he believes its important for youngsters to gain experience, either on loan or in the U23`s, before being plunged into - and expected to perform - in the first team. He may, however, be forced to play the like of Matty Hoppe sooner than he expected. "I can only work with what I`ve got".

As for injuries, he commented that steering clear of major problems is really important at this stage. Recruitment? He is aware that there are quite a number of players out there, who are out of contract - free agents. So will he be bringing anyone in? "I`l be going through the list". There will certainly be a few gems who can bring experience and more than "do a job". As he said previously "I dont just want fillers" [for the long term].

Its not the end of the world - Certainly not for a man like Wilder.
But he`l be feeling the pressure. We expect the team to perform and not "float about in mid-table".
We`ve jettisoned those players who dont fit his style and there are a few more pieces to complete the jigsaw.

Come on!

UTMB✊
 
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Current Form:
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Championship Table:
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Boro - Top Scorers:

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Boro - Top Assists:

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Boro Attendances
This season.

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Average home attendance - League = 25,431

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NZBoro1 said:
I'm just happy Kevin Phillips isn't playing for them. He always seemed to score against us!!!!!
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I never liked that weasel.
Recall when he was desperate to join us (only because he didn't want to move house) and McLaren didnt't want him. Went to Southampton, scored against us, and made a 'bad smell' gesture to the Boro fans.
 
PREMIER LEAGUE:
The Lowest League Points Total in Premier League History

Todays visitors have the privilege of twice being included in the Premier hall of shame(y)

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1. Derby – 11 (2007/08)​

Who could forget Derby’s infamous 11-point season? Their tails were up after beating West Brom 1-0 in the Championship play-off final, but things didn’t quite go to plan in the following months. The Rams won just once throughout the entire campaign, picking up 8 draws and losing their other 29 matches. Four of their points came against Newcastle.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Derby hold several unwanted records in the competition, including fewest wins in a season (one), fewest goals scored (20), most goals conceded (89), and subsequently the worst ever goal difference (-69). They also hold the record for most consecutive matches without a win (32), and to add further misery, the Premier League have confirmed that this record could continue if the club ever return to the top flight.
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2. Sunderland – 15 (2005/06)​

Fortunately for Derby, Sunderland hadn’t fared much better a couple of years before, although their 15 points and -43 goal difference was significantly better. The two clubs even share the records for most defeats and fewest home wins in a season with 29 and one respectively.

They posted just one victory by the time January had come around, which at least came against local rivals Middlesbrough. That win came in the middle of a three-game unbeaten run, but nine successive losses followed, a dismal time where the club fell into the relegation zone and never recovered.
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3. Huddersfield – 16 (2018/19)​

A more recent disappointing campaign, this time coming at the John Smith’s Stadium. The club had edged out Reading in the Championship play-off final two years prior, before finishing four points from safety in their first season back amongst the big boys. But their stay in the top-flight didn’t last long, and one year later they found themselves in a real battle for survival.

That battle was lost in miserable fashion, as neither David Wagner nor Jan Siewert could work their magic in the dugout. The Terriers won just three matches, conceding 76 goals along the way. Karlan Grant ended the campaign as their top scorer with four, despite only joining halfway through the season.
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4. Aston Villa – 17 (2015/16)​

Tim Sherwood replaced Paul Lambert in the dugout in February 2015, with the former helping avoid relegation from the top-flight by just three points. But things took a turn for the worse the following season, with Sherwood lasting only a few months into the new campaign.

He was replaced by Remi Garde as the club sat rock bottom of the table, but the Frenchman lasted just five months before leaving by mutual consent. Ex-Coventry boss Eric Black was temporarily put in charge, but he could do nothing to prevent the misery as Villa ended the season in 20th place with just three wins to their name.
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5. Sunderland – 19 (2002/03)​

The Black Cats once again find themselves in the list of lowest points totals for their displays in the 2002/03 campaign. Their four wins is one better than Villa’s, with Sunderland also going through managers like no tomorrow.

Peter Reid was the first victim of the sack, with Howard Wilkinson following soon after. Mick McCarthy was then brought in to steady the ship, but by that stage the club were already well and truly out of it. Their unwanted records include the most home defeats in a season (14), and the most consecutive defeats (15).
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6. Portsmouth – 19 (2009/10)​

Portsmouth make the list through default more than anything, but their performances can still be largely to blame for their relegation in 2010. With seven wins and seven draws, Pompey ended the campaign with 28 points, but were immediately docked nine of those for entering administration.

That sent them to the very bottom of the table, with matters off the pitch eased only by a stunning FA Cup run. But unfortunately for Avram Grant’s men, his former side Chelsea secured a narrow 1-0 victory at Wembley.
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7. Norwich – 21 (2019/20)​

The Canaries will undoubtedly be remembered for plenty of positive reasons for their performances last season, but it doesn’t stop their points total of 21 being one of the worst ever recorded in the competition’s history.

They entertained everyone from the very first moment, challenging Liverpool on the opening day of the season despite eventually falling to a 4-1 defeat. It was much of the same then on in, but a thrilling 3-2 win over champions Manchester City will go down in history as one of the most memorable evening’s in the club’s entire history. Not a single point from their final ten games of the season, however, proved just how difficult they found it.
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8. Watford – 24 (1990/00)​

Watford suffered relegation from the Premier League just last season with 34 points to their name, but that total was ten better than the 24 they achieved at the turn of the century. It was a then-record low at the time, and confirmed their relegation to the Football League First Division.

The Hornets recorded just six wins, conceding 77 goals in their 38 games. Two of those wins came against giants Liverpool and Chelsea, but it didn’t help their final position in the standings, with the club well off the pace behind fellow relegated sides Wimbledon and Sheffield Wednesday.

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8 Lowest Points Totals in Premier League History - Pundit Feed

Manchester United kicked off the first ever Premier League season in 1992/93 by lifting the trophy, finishing ten points ahead of Aston Villa in second.
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Roofie, don't pander to the mackems, remove the quotes around Derby. This has always been a derby. We all grew up watching Tyne-Tees TV where the three big north east teams were pitted against each other and it was always called a Derby. It's an effect of the Premier League generation where the Newcastle-Sunderland game was being promoted as one of the greatest rivalries on the planet and therefore they had to diminish our rivalry. This is simply Murdoch fookin with our culture and history, don't embed his culture war. Everyone in the 70s and 80s called it a derby on both sides of the fence.
 
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