This Dominic Cummings COVID meeting

I’ve said since the initial stages of lockdown that Hancock would lose his job as a buffer to protect Johnson on Covid and at the time to protect Cummings, too, Hancock and Williamson are the most expendable of Johnson’s frontline team and I can see them both out of the Cabinet soon.
Yup, they will find themselves on a nice sunny beach, with shares in some Tory (or taxpayer) funded company with a nice golden handshake, sipping cocktails and eating lobster.

What they won't be doing is paying for their **** ups, and they won't be working some minimum wage job through austerity 2 in Middlesbrough, or going back on the front line of the NHS or as public sector workers, helping out those who they continually fcuck over.
 
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Am I alone in not really caring what Cummings had to say beyond it was a badly managed government response. We already knew that and Cummings had provided some evidential context. Some of it will be true, some of it will be misremembered and done of it will be spin. The broad strokes are damaging and tell a story of uncaring and conscious incompetence.

That's all that should matter.
 
Hancock is damaged goods and has been caught out lying on more than one occasion which is what he should lose his ministerial role for, however I can envisage Hancock threatening a law suit towards Cummings which will entail him stepping down while he prepares for the case, which of course will never happen, that will protect Johnson and put Hancock out of the spotlight for a while.

I’ve said since the initial stages of lockdown that Hancock would lose his job as a buffer to protect Johnson on Covid and at the time to protect Cummings, too, Hancock and Williamson are the most expendable of Johnson’s frontline team and I can see them both out of the Cabinet soon.
Wasn't his testimony under Parliamentary Privilege?
 
Hancock is damaged goods and has been caught out lying on more than one occasion which is what he should lose his ministerial role for, however I can envisage Hancock threatening a law suit towards Cummings which will entail him stepping down while he prepares for the case, which of course will never happen, that will protect Johnson and put Hancock out of the spotlight for a while.

I’ve said since the initial stages of lockdown that Hancock would lose his job as a buffer to protect Johnson on Covid and at the time to protect Cummings, too, Hancock and Williamson are the most expendable of Johnson’s frontline team and I can see them both out of the Cabinet soon.

There will be no court case, it was given under parliamentary privilege I believe.
 
Am I alone in not really caring what Cummings had to say beyond it was a badly managed government response. We already knew that and Cummings had provided some evidential context. Some of it will be true, some of it will be misremembered and done of it will be spin. The broad strokes are damaging and tell a story of uncaring and conscious incompetence.

That's all that should matter.
It's more about nailing down where those main problems are. It's meant to be "Lessons learned", "badly managed government response" is not learning a lesson, it's spreading blame and not learning.

Calling it "the government" is doing a disservice to those who may actually be competent (albeit on the wrong side for many), and letting the incompetent off the hook. Which is the entire opposite of what should happen.

Let's see how much of that cockup from BJ and Handjob gets defended, and how much gets ignored or deflected.
 
Boom there it is Kate garraway on ITV "I've spoken to Boris Johnson on many occasions as well as Matt Hancock & yourself(Jenrick) & I believe he cares I believe you all care 🤦‍♂️ of course they care as long as your not over 80, disabled, state pensioner or on any sort of welfare.
While Jenrick is spouting once they realised how transmissible covid was in care homes not a word not a dicky about the warnings from countries what was coming as it spread our way. They knew full well what was coming & especially Kate Garraway after what her family went through telling the nation they care FFS.
Real journalists would have been pulling him up at every occasion this morning but nope as a couple of irritating questions make them mildly squirm but still letting em get away with it while giving the impression they asking the hard questions.
Like I said the british media are in Stockley park in charge of VAR & looks like its going to sweep it under the carpet for them.
 
Boom there it is Kate garraway on ITV "I've spoken to Boris Johnson on many occasions as well as Matt Hancock & yourself(Jenrick) & I believe he cares I believe you all care 🤦‍♂️ of course they care as long as your not over 80, disabled, state pensioner or on any sort of welfare.
While Jenrick is spouting once they realised how transmissible covid was in care homes not a word not a dicky about the warnings from countries what was coming as it spread our way. They knew full well what was coming & especially Kate Garraway after what her family went through telling the nation they care FFS.
Real journalists would have been pulling him up at every occasion this morning but nope as a couple of irritating questions make them mildly squirm but still letting em get away with it while giving the impression they asking the hard questions.
Like I said the british media are in Stockley park in charge of VAR & looks like its going to sweep it under the carpet for them.
Piers morgan would have slammed them. They have the same editor. Can’t understand the change in tune on GMB. Like you say giving what the garroways have been through and will continue to go through
 
It's more about nailing down where those main problems are. It's meant to be "Lessons learned", "badly managed government response" is not learning a lesson, it's spreading blame and not learning.

Calling it "the government" is doing a disservice to those who may actually be competent (albeit on the wrong side for many), and letting the incompetent off the hook. Which is the entire opposite of what should happen.

Let's see how much of that cockup from BJ and Handjob gets defended, and how much gets ignored or deflected.
Not sure you get my point Andy. Yes it is supposed to be about learning lessons. Does anybody believe that it's what the parliamentary committee is doing? Everyone will be scrambling to cover their own backsides, lying, spinning and rewriting the facts.

All we will get from this is broad strokes.

A couple of cabinet members will be sacrificed and Johnson will, at some point be removed from office.

No one is going to jail, there will be no real world consequences and anyone implicated will either face it out or move on to some other venture taking a sizeable chunk of taxpayers money with them.
 
Piers morgan would have slammed them. They have the same editor. Can’t understand the change in tune on GMB. Like you say giving what the garroways have been through and will continue to go through
Not sure he would I know they come across as being tough but they are really not same as Starmer inPMQs they all say they are holding the government to account but they're not even close. Starmer has been handed a golden opportunity here he should be on every news channel demanding bozo to come into parliament today to explain himself on these allegations & demand answers not let him off with blathering on so he can avoid the question.
 
Well this really is hilarious. Wasn't at all difficult to predict the flood of manic lefties who, after casting Dominic Cummins as the devil incarnate last year now want to adopt him as a new Saint.
Good job Cummins isn't a spoilt child and a liar holding a grudge so we can now take everything he says as Gospel. Still, he's singing a song that will be extremely popular with a massive majority of political posters on here so it's a great day for them and a pretty grim one for Johnson and Hancock.

I think we can all name 3 countries in the World who had a plan and got it right. Most of the others didn't or did and made some serious miscalculations along the way. Hindsight however is always 20-20.
There's a difference between getting it wrong once, which is to some degree understandable, as opposed to repeating the same mistake 2 going on 3 times. Unforgiveable.
 
Not sure he would I know they come across as being tough but they are really not same as Starmer inPMQs they all say they are holding the government to account but they're not even close. Starmer has been handed a golden opportunity here he should be on every news channel demanding bozo to come into parliament today to explain himself on these allegations & demand answers not let him off with blathering on so he can avoid the question.
What if the news channels won’t have him on
 
There will be no court case, it was given under parliamentary privilege I believe.
Sorry, you’re right what I should have said is that at some point I’m sure Cummings will repeat some of what he said in his blog, on Twitter or if he does any follow up interviews, I’m also sure there won’t be a court case the ‘preparation’ to launch an action would the excuse used for Hancock to step down, the impact is two-fold, one it takes the heat of Johnson and secondly by Hancock saying he’s launching a legal challenge it puts doubt in the minds of the public of Cummings credibility ‘Hancock wouldn’t give up his cabinet position to launch a case he’d lose’ politics is a perception game as much as anything.
 
Not sure you get my point Andy. Yes it is supposed to be about learning lessons. Does anybody believe that it's what the parliamentary committee is doing? Everyone will be scrambling to cover their own backsides, lying, spinning and rewriting the facts.

All we will get from this is broad strokes.

A couple of cabinet members will be sacrificed and Johnson will, at some point be removed from office.

No one is going to jail, there will be no real world consequences and anyone implicated will either face it out or move on to some other venture taking a sizeable chunk of taxpayers money with them.
You said: "Am I alone in not really caring what Cummings had to say beyond it was a badly managed government response."

You should care as this is clear (very early) insight into where most of the failings seem to lie, and it's probably the most truthful account that you're likely to see, within the next few years. You're not going to get that from those that messed up the most of course, they will try and pin blame on others. The buck has to stop at someone and I'll bet my ass there's more proof it's BJ and Handjob, rather than this hired gun, Cummings or any others. DC was clearly not the PM or Health Secretary, and the failings were even worse when he was out of there. He actually admitted a lot of blame and also give credit to a lot of people, it's not like he slagged everyone off, and praised himself as a messiah.

Just see how much gets denied, with actual proof, as seemingly DC can apparently back up the claims he's making and has little to gain by lying. It's all that everyone basically expected, but it's basic validation from an insider, that we were unlikely to otherwise get.

I'm sure there will be some accounts from SAGE, Whitty, Valance, Van Tam that will come in time (much later down the line), that will largely back all this up, and they're not likely to have their credentials or morals questioned.

Hopefully this targets blame at key people and key decisions, and praises other people and other decisions, at least then the idea is we listen more to the competent people and experts, rather than listening to idiots or letting them pass the buck. If there's accountability, then people will have to be more accountable. If there's no accountability, then people will just self serve, again and again. That's one of the lessons that need learning.
 
Hancock is damaged goods and has been caught out lying on more than one occasion which is what he should lose his ministerial role for, however I can envisage Hancock threatening a law suit towards Cummings which will entail him stepping down while he prepares for the case, which of course will never happen, that will protect Johnson and put Hancock out of the spotlight for a while.

I’ve said since the initial stages of lockdown that Hancock would lose his job as a buffer to protect Johnson on Covid and at the time to protect Cummings, too, Hancock and Williamson are the most expendable of Johnson’s frontline team and I can see them both out of the Cabinet soon.

As damaged as Hancock is I've sadly just witnessed labour's emergency question turn into a session of reacharounds for the Health Secretary with every Tory congratulating him and no Labour questions seemingly cutting through.
 
You said: "Am I alone in not really caring what Cummings had to say beyond it was a badly managed government response."

You should care as this is clear (very early) insight into where most of the failings seem to lie, and it's probably the most truthful account that you're likely to see, within the next few years. You're not going to get that from those that messed up the most of course, they will try and pin blame on others. The buck has to stop at someone and I'll bet my ass there's more proof it's BJ and Handjob, rather than this hired gun, Cummings or any others. DC was clearly not the PM or Health Secretary, and the failings were even worse when he was out of there. He actually admitted a lot of blame and also give credit to a lot of people, it's not like he slagged everyone off, and praised himself as a messiah.

Just see how much gets denied, with actual proof, as seemingly DC can apparently back up the claims he's making and has little to gain by lying. It's all that everyone basically expected, but it's basic validation from an insider, that we were unlikely to otherwise get.

I'm sure there will be some accounts from SAGE, Whitty, Valance, Van Tam that will come in time (much later down the line), that will largely back all this up, and they're not likely to have their credentials or morals questioned.

Hopefully this targets blame at key people and key decisions, and praises other people and other decisions, at least then the idea is we listen more to the competent people and experts, rather than listening to idiots or letting them pass the buck. If there's accountability, then people will have to be more accountable. If there's no accountability, then people will just self serve, again and again. That's one of the lessons that need learning.
You are right, in as much as it is probably as close to the truth as we are likely to get, enquiry not excluded.

My point is, whats the point? Without really strong evidence that is unequivocal, can't be misconstrued or interpreted in different ways, it comes down to a he said she said, or more accurately, that's not what I meant.

Even if the evidence is irrefutable, without removing parliamentary privelidge and having a robust legal system to see criminal prosecutions brought, again, whats the point.

They have stolen billions from us, they have directly contributed to the deaths of tens of thousands. So Hancock looses his cabinet position. It doesn't bring anyone back and it doesn't stop Johnson and others going ahead and repeating the entire thing.

Of all public positions, parliament should have tougher legislation to manage and punish than any other role. They have barely none. They are judged almost solely in the court of public opinion.

Maybe, just maybe Hancock doesn't care that his political career is about to end, he made a fair few quid, job done!

I am starting to get very jaded with politics. Yesterday we have an ex aid telling the country that Johnson and his cabinet directly caused people to die and on another thread we have someone complaining that Starmer isn't fit to lead because he didn't like the way he asked the questions at PMQ's.

The whole thing has turned into a team sport with winners and loosers depending on who is in no10 not on policy. Some folks don't want Labour in power because they aint left enough for them. That suggests they are happy with the current incumbent.

We have hundreds of tory back benchers who, I assume, are not happy with the current decision makers, yet sit idly by because Johnson is on their team.
 
As damaged as Hancock is I've sadly just witnessed labour's emergency question turn into a session of reacharounds for the Health Secretary with every Tory congratulating him and no Labour questions seemingly cutting through.
Yeah, that was actually quite sickening, actually made me feel uncomfortable.

There literally isn't an ounce of spine or integrity between them, and clearly some junior folk are effectively being told what to say or ask, or at least I would rather it be that way, than them actually thinking what they're peddling is the truth. It was like they were reading from prompting cards over teams, peddling a script.

Every time I see or hear Jacob Young I feel like I'm going to sick up in my mouth.
 
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You are right, in as much as it is probably as close to the truth as we are likely to get, enquiry not excluded.

My point is, whats the point? Without really strong evidence that is unequivocal, can't be misconstrued or interpreted in different ways, it comes down to a he said she said, or more accurately, that's not what I meant.

Even if the evidence is irrefutable, without removing parliamentary privelidge and having a robust legal system to see criminal prosecutions brought, again, whats the point.

They have stolen billions from us, they have directly contributed to the deaths of tens of thousands. So Hancock looses his cabinet position. It doesn't bring anyone back and it doesn't stop Johnson and others going ahead and repeating the entire thing.

Of all public positions, parliament should have tougher legislation to manage and punish than any other role. They have barely none. They are judged almost solely in the court of public opinion.

Maybe, just maybe Hancock doesn't care that his political career is about to end, he made a fair few quid, job done!

I am starting to get very jaded with politics. Yesterday we have an ex aid telling the country that Johnson and his cabinet directly caused people to die and on another thread we have someone complaining that Starmer isn't fit to lead because he didn't like the way he asked the questions at PMQ's.

The whole thing has turned into a team sport with winners and loosers depending on who is in no10 not on policy. Some folks don't want Labour in power because they aint left enough for them. That suggests they are happy with the current incumbent.

We have hundreds of tory back benchers who, I assume, are not happy with the current decision makers, yet sit idly by because Johnson is on their team.
I assume he won't go showing his texts, or e-mails, largely as the damage it would do to the UK and national security, so the threat of him having that should be enough to get these clowns to grow a spine and buck their ideas up.

It's wishful thinking, I know.

Every day it gets worse and worse and they sink lower and lower.
 
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