This Dominic Cummings COVID meeting

And here it comes. I assume you are referring to "manic lefties." Well that's pretty weak labelling on my part when compared to some of the name-calling normally found in this forum. (Including in your post). Since you are the one making suggestions why don't you explain your position to the public and how you would have solved the situation? I'm sure they'd be gripped and gain much solace from it.
Never make assumptions and then telegraph your opinion based on those assumptions.
I dont have responsibility for what others call others here nor anywhere else.
Neither do I answer to the "public".
My point is that 150,000 people have died [thats greater than the population of Middlesbrough].
Only in tyranny`s and dictatorships do politicians and leaders make decisions without being accountable.
Thank you for your contribution.
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And neither do I, despite your invitation so don't attempt to give me instructions. And it is no assumption that this board is populated by those of a particular political persuasion. Those who take a different political stance are largely silent or not reacting to save themselves from the predictable bile that may head their way. That very fact is referenced earlier in this thread. Occasionally some will offer an alternative but clearly not welcome viewpoint and will be immediately shouted down. That's life on this board and I either accept it or go away and don't get tempted to post.
 
And neither do I, despite your invitation so don't attempt to give me instructions. And it is no assumption that this board is populated by those of a particular political persuasion. Those who take a different political stance are largely silent or not reacting to save themselves from the predictable bile that may head their way. That very fact is referenced earlier in this thread. Occasionally some will offer an alternative but clearly not welcome viewpoint and will be immediately shouted down. That's life on this board and I either accept it or go away and don't get tempted to post.
Right wingers playing victim again. Most of my volunteering work is picking up the pieces of a nasty right wing vindictive government. Most of the people I volunteer with would have been Tory voters 10 years ago, but not any more. The way poor and disabled people's lives have been ruined over the last decade is a travesty that can only demand change for a better future for the whole of this country. These are the real victims.
 
So having seen most of the highlights now, Johnson is badly harmed. Johnson either admits that Cummings comments are true and that Johnson isn't fit for PM and is possibly culpable of manslaughter OR he admits that Cummings is a lying, dangerous, manipulative and vengeful liar. In which case you have to seriously question Johnsons judgment in employing Cummings in such a role and why Johnson took advantage of such behaviour to 'get brexit done' and win the PMship. Either way Johnson is a callous murderer OR he is a gullible fool taken in by Cummings.
 
So having seen most of the highlights now, Johnson is badly harmed. Johnson either admits that Cummings comments are true and that Johnson isn't fit for PM and is possibly culpable of manslaughter OR he admits that Cummings is a lying, dangerous, manipulative and vengeful liar. In which case you have to seriously question Johnsons judgment in employing Cummings in such a role and why Johnson took advantage of such behaviour to 'get brexit done' and win the PMship. Either way Johnson is a callous murderer OR he is a gullible fool taken in by Cummings.

This will be forgotten within 2/3 weeks

scandal doesn’t seems to stick in this modern media world. If this country and people respected itself there would be an revolution
 
@RavsDad
to be fair I haven't seen one person on this thread saying what a great guy Cummings is, not one. your flood has turned into slightly less than a dripping tap

RavsDad is a Tory shill and I claim my £5. Quite why anybody would be in a rush to defend this incompetent, corrupt government on a day when one of its own claims tens of thousands of deaths are the cost of a corrupt government are beyond me. But, but Corbyn, but Abbott etc Sick in the head.
 
Excellent reposte. Yep. No axe to grind for Cummins and I can totally believe everything he says. (He has notes you know). Tory shill? I think you've got no chance of your £5 as I am neither a member of their party, or retained by them. I did however vote for them like many other ex.Labour voters. Its almost a shame that your lot got hammered because with no actual policies to pursue they could have cracked Covid in half the time without breaking sweat I'm sure. But. We'll never know.
 
This will be forgotten within 2/3 weeks

scandal doesn’t seems to stick in this modern media world. If this country and people respected itself there would be an revolution
Absolutely this. A mixture of voter apathy and the bizarre cult of Johnson who will defend him regardless will mean this is all over in a few days and we lurch on to the next story of death, incompetence or corruption.

This is the worrying thing about this country. You look at what these animals are doing and you really think "why are we allowing this" The fact there is a huge cult of Johnson is petrifying. They WANT to be lied to, want to have their taxes stolen, want to have their lives risked. I just can't understand it.
 
So having seen most of the highlights now, Johnson is badly harmed. Johnson either admits that Cummings comments are true and that Johnson isn't fit for PM and is possibly culpable of manslaughter OR he admits that Cummings is a lying, dangerous, manipulative and vengeful liar. In which case you have to seriously question Johnsons judgment in employing Cummings in such a role and why Johnson took advantage of such behaviour to 'get brexit done' and win the PMship. Either way Johnson is a callous murderer OR he is a gullible fool taken in by Cummings.
He won't deny it, as he won't have proof too, and he knows DC won't have raised these issues without either having proof, or without being in a room with multiple people (of which you can't assume all will lie, as they might not all have been Tories, and not all of those will like BJ).

So, what will happen is BJ will not respond to 90% of it, will play down the other 10%, then throw a smoke grenade, probably do some moaning about labour, then some bluster, then some other horsheshit (possibly about brexit), then some stuff about vaccines (which is seemingly not down to him) and obviously largely carried out by the NHS.

Then the press will probably go after Cummings, to try and discredit (on Tory behalf, as they fund the Tories), so it looks like it's not coming from BJ (but it really is).

Then the Tory flock will whinge about DC, and that "he wasn't trusted before apparently, so why should he be now?".
Except for the problem with the above line implies one of a few main scenarios:
1) That DC is a serial liar, and they (Tory/ brexiters) have just fell for all of his crap earlier (basically showing themselves as gullible fools)
2) That he was telling the truth all along, in that way they trusted him before so should trust him now
3) He was telling the truth before, but for some reason isn't now, and is just doing this all for the crack, to try and wreck his own career, life and future job prospects

Obviously, 3 is the least likely outcome, he's really not that daft, he was smart enough to sway a vote of 32m by conning 10% of that.

The thing is, like a lot of people are saying, most whistleblowers or even "grasses" don't generally do this without a mass of proof, and looking at how clear DC was on his time and dates, this lot is obviously well diarised and recorded. He doesn't seem the kind of guy to have "not kept his receipts", as everyone all over is saying. You really need your duck's in a row to go after these kinds of people otherwise you will get taken apart, and seemingly no 10 don't have the competence to take this guy apart, especially as their failings are clearly recorded.

It was clear who the main fools are, and to be honest it's the ones who most realised were fools all along, BJ and Handjob etc.
 
Its almost a shame that your lot got hammered because with no actual policies to pursue they could have cracked Covid in half the time without breaking sweat I'm sure. But. We'll never know.
You, the area of the team you support, your family, their descendants, your friends, their healthcare, their education, public sector workers, all got hammered, you just don't know it yet. Those you voted for forecasted Brexit to hit this area and its people hardest, the covid cockup just multiplied it, nice one. I'm sure you thought Austerity 1 was good, so you're going to love Austerity 2 I expect? Most others will not like it as much as you, I fear.

Hopefully, you don't suffer, and neither do those that have to pay for your actions. Hopefully, your luck is the same level as your ignorance.

FWIW the time for Covid cannot be cracked/ or halved, as it is reliant on the rest of the world in various ways, but what you can do is limit the impact of that duration determined by others, which is something BJ and co clearly made a $hit attempt at. For instance, shutting borders or putting in controls, using the two weeks notice we had on Spain/ Italy could have reduced the first wave by about 80%. Tories and nationalists claim we're better than those kinds of nations, yet somehow we did much, much worse, with more notice, despite being an island, with much better healthcare and much better tools to do the job.

We don't know for certain that labour would have done better, but on the balance of probability, we do know they would have likely listened to the NHS more, or helped those most in need more, which in turn would have likely directed policy and maybe not meant billions of faulty PPE contracts went in Tory donors pockets? I probably expect they would have listened to SAGE and other science more also, seeing is it's practically impossible to ignore it as long, and repeatedly as the Tories did.
 
There's usually a lot of things (in addition to covid) that we don't find out for 30 years and it's possible that some of us won't be around to see them. My fervent hope is that the World sees a conclusion to this crisis and that we can get back to something that we once knew as normal.
No argument from me about that 👌
 
Quite why anybody would be in a rush to defend this incompetent, corrupt government on a day when one of its own claims tens of thousands of deaths are the cost of a corrupt government are beyond me
It's pretty distasteful, shows a real lack of empathy, how people can be so hideous is beyond me. Cummings has just outed Johnson as the new Harold Shipman but here we are someone still defends it. Johnson and Hancock should be charged for manslaughter
 
Excellent reposte. Yep. No axe to grind for Cummins and I can totally believe everything he says. (He has notes you know).
It doesn't matter if it's true, because if Johnsons defence is that Cummings is a huge irresponsible and dangerous liar then he will be admitting that he trusted someone like that and gave them power which makes Johnson dangerously gullible OR even worse Johnson chose to put someone in power like that to lie for him to the public. Either way it's a terrible look and almost as bad as what Cummings has accused Johnson of.

The reality is probably in the middle, much of what Cummings has said is true, making Johnson a callous murderer of our grandparents, and a science denying moron, AND Johnson put someone in power without realising how unsuitable and uncontrollable they were AND Johnson knew Cummings was a very good manipulator and liar and weaponised that against the people. Johnson really is worse than many people dared to imagine, possibly the most negligent and lazy PM we have ever had.
 
The claim that Hancock said people would be tested before being transferred to care homes is interesting and, as it didn't happen, he lied. Hancock is denying the claim, so is he saying he didn't say people would be tested and was knowingly and unashamedly sending untested people back to care homes?
again either way Hancock is in big problems here. Sending them back without tests was negligence and manslaughter. If he claimed he would but forget to make sure that happened he should go to prison, if he chose not to test them before sending them back he is a callous murderer and should go to prison.
 
The claim that Hancock said people would be tested before being transferred to care homes is interesting and, as it didn't happen, he lied. Hancock is denying the claim, so is he saying he didn't say people would be tested and was knowingly and unashamedly sending untested people back to care homes?
Yup, it was either:
He just wasn't bothered? (d*ck)
Didn't realise? (incompetent)
Was bothered, but did nothing? (weak/ incompetent)
Was being directed by an absolute clusterfuck of a "leader"? (Unfortunate for him, more unfortunate for the UK)

It's probably a combination of the above, but seemingly a lot of the latter, there seems to have been a lot of micromanaging of those below, by people who were not themselves competent. The blind leading the blind, so to speak, except they didn't have to pay for the problems they caused (or did not help).
 
Hancock is damaged goods and has been caught out lying on more than one occasion which is what he should lose his ministerial role for, however I can envisage Hancock threatening a law suit towards Cummings which will entail him stepping down while he prepares for the case, which of course will never happen, that will protect Johnson and put Hancock out of the spotlight for a while.

I’ve said since the initial stages of lockdown that Hancock would lose his job as a buffer to protect Johnson on Covid and at the time to protect Cummings, too, Hancock and Williamson are the most expendable of Johnson’s frontline team and I can see them both out of the Cabinet soon.
 
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