This Dominic Cummings COVID meeting

RavsDad said:
Well this really is hilarious. Wasn't at all difficult to predict the flood of manic lefties who, after casting Dominic Cummins as the devil incarnate last year now want to adopt him as a new Saint.
Good job Cummins isn't a spoilt child and a liar holding a grudge so we can now take everything he says as Gospel. Still, he's singing a song that will be extremely popular with a massive majority of political posters on here so it's a great day for them and a pretty grim one for Johnson and Hancock.

I think we can all name 3 countries in the World who had a plan and got it right. Most of the others didn't or did and made some serious miscalculations along the way. Hindsight however is always 20-20.
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Hindsight?

This was about foresight being ignored due to political considerations and incompetence.
 
RavsDad said:
Well this really is hilarious. Wasn't at all difficult to predict the flood of manic lefties who, after casting Dominic Cummins as the devil incarnate last year now want to adopt him as a new Saint.
Good job Cummins isn't a spoilt child and a liar holding a grudge so we can now take everything he says as Gospel. Still, he's singing a song that will be extremely popular with a massive majority of political posters on here so it's a great day for them and a pretty grim one for Johnson and Hancock.

I think we can all name 3 countries in the World who had a plan and got it right. Most of the others didn't or did and made some serious miscalculations along the way. Hindsight however is always 20-20.
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That argument is sunk before it even gets going. If you are going to say those who held Cummings up as a liar now want to believe him, you absolutely have to accept that those who held Cummings up as reliable and full of integrity now want to make out he is a liar.

Cuts both ways.
 
Regardless of any motivation for revenge, professional assassinations etc, can anyone honestly say we've dealt with the pandemic effectively?
Our death rate itself is shameful.
Our handling of the pandemic in care homes is shameful.
The track and trace system should be investigated for its inefficiency and the costs involved.
The border policy has and continues to be haphazard if not negligent. It's not like there aren't lessons from other countries that are examples of how it can be improved and yet we continue to be absolutely half-arsed about controlling incoming infections.
It was always questioned why lockdowns or restrictions were scheduled and not applied immediately. If the data indicated action was needed then letting things continue unchanged for a few extra days was always idiotic.
The furlough scheme, even though it didn't help everyone who needed it, was a good thing.
The vaccine rollout has to be commended.
 
LowMoorBoro said:
There’s a lot of comments where Cummings seems to be implying if they listened to him everything would have been much better.
Can’t stand any of this lot.
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See I believe this, largely as it seems like he's got evidence to back up everything he said. He's clearly got a collection of texts, notes, e-mails and meetings with multiple people which can't likely be contested, without mass collective lying effectively under oath (if that's what it is). I just don't see that happening this is too big and there will be too much evidence (which he's obviously not afraid to share, good on him).

I fully believe 100% that the guy is a tool, a bit of a weirdo and self-serving/ selfish, but don't doubt he would have had the logic to know what it would have took to handle this better. He's a strategist, he is very logical, he's got a strong belief in expert opinion and knows human behaviour, he's well placed and skilled to have been part of a good team, the problem was he was playing sat nav for a drunk driver, and the drunk driver had the car keys and likes car crashes.

Some at the time (like me) thought it might have been him (Cummings) pushing a $hit strategy. I couldn't understand how someone could be so clever and yet get that strategy so wrong, but I underestimated him it seems. I didn't factor that he could just be extremely competent but was just willing to work for anyone, and that sometimes they would not listen, but eventually his morals caught up. It seems he was quite torn with wanting to actually prevent more damage, and it makes sense that he left and things didn't get any better. In theory, if cummings was the problem, they would have handled winter much better (or many other things). It's easy to solve the equation, the problem has happened a few times and each time it's been Boris at the top, he's the common problem, he's the bad factor in every equation.

I think I'm starting to understand him a lot more now, someone you really do not want on the other side, and if he is on your side you really should listen to him as he knows what he's on about, or is willing to listen to people that are, or can pick people that do know what they're on about.

This just shows how dangerous BJ is, it's a lot worse than I thought (which was really bad).
 
RavsDad said:
Well this really is hilarious. Wasn't at all difficult to predict the flood of manic lefties who, after casting Dominic Cummins as the devil incarnate last year now want to adopt him as a new Saint.
Good job Cummins isn't a spoilt child and a liar holding a grudge so we can now take everything he says as Gospel. Still, he's singing a song that will be extremely popular with a massive majority of political posters on here so it's a great day for them and a pretty grim one for Johnson and Hancock.

I think we can all name 3 countries in the World who had a plan and got it right. Most of the others didn't or did and made some serious miscalculations along the way. Hindsight however is always 20-20.
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Nope.

It's just people realising that clever guys are generally clever often, and clown liars are clown lairs often. You don't have to like him, to realise he knows what he's on about. He might be a selfish d*ck, but again it doesn't mean he doesn't know his work/ job.

Most hate Cummings because he was playing on the opposite side for brexit, which was seemingly as a hired hand, as a strategist which nobody really doubts his ability at, largely as brexit would not have happened without him. People then hated him more for Barnard Castle, that's just him being selfish/ protecting his family, depends on which side of the fence you sit on, I can't see many peoples opinions changing on that aspect.

What is becoming apparent here is some of the blame pinned on Cummings should have obviously been at Boris or others doors, and it's not hard to believe, and seemingly he's got a stack of proof which will either not get contested, or will just get shared to those who need to see it.

Not sure how Boris will play this now, I don't think he can counter it, as DC will just share the proof, so expect to see more crap thrown at Labour (who were not in power), or just more bull****, diversion and bluster.

It's not hindsight, plenty were saying shut the borders and lockdown a month in advance, seemingly he was saying it much earlier than that, which I probably don't doubt. He seems to understand risk and reward very well. Even that one month would have made a massive difference, seeing as cases were doubling every 3 days in the two weeks notice we had from Italy Spain. We could have had 20% of the cases had we just listened two weeks earler.
 
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WeeGord said:
Ravs Dad wanting a Tory wet dream and ending up having a nightmare here.
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Quite the contrary. It's the lefties Wet dream day. No nightmare for me, in fact I can sit back and laugh at how they can lap this up. I'm not claiming any massive victories for the Government (other than securing vaccine supplies whilst the EU sat on its thumbs) and achieving Brexit was part of that success. They've got plenty wrong, along with many of the other major civilisations across the World.
 
RavsDad said:
Quite the contrary. It's the lefties Wet dream day. No nightmare for me, in fact I can sit back and laugh at how they can lap this up. I'm not claiming any massive victories for the Government (other than securing vaccine supplies whilst the EU sat on its thumbs) and achieving Brexit was part of that success. They've got plenty wrong, along with many of the other major civilisations across the World.
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You'd have no vaccines if it weren't for Cummings and two others.
 
Lefty said:
It's not well said.

He and you have not understood the target of the joke, or that it was an exaggeration for comic effect.

Johnson has seemingly been forgiven for brazen dishonesty, massive incompetence, incredible laziness, undermining the conventions that hold our very democracy together and presiding over massive corruption.

The joke was therefore that the only thing left that could be worse is if it turned out he was a paedo. The exagerration for comic effect was 'and even then, can we be so sure since they tend to blame others for everything - immigrants, the EU, remoaners, judges, the BBC, a Party that hasn't been in power for 11 years, etc. etc.'

The point of the jokes - and they really were jokes - is that all of these things should have been more than enough to sink him many times over, but he gets away with it because his supporters allow him to, often by pretending it was someone else's fault.

I mean, it takes some mental gymnastics to blame remainers for not having a Brexit plan rather than the people who actually advocated it.
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Well said lefty 😁
 
RavsDad said:
Well this really is hilarious. Wasn't at all difficult to predict the flood of manic lefties who, after casting Dominic Cummins as the devil incarnate last year now want to adopt him as a new Saint.
Good job Cummins isn't a spoilt child and a liar holding a grudge so we can now take everything he says as Gospel. Still, he's singing a song that will be extremely popular with a massive majority of political posters on here so it's a great day for them and a pretty grim one for Johnson and Hancock.

I think we can all name 3 countries in the World who had a plan and got it right. Most of the others didn't or did and made some serious miscalculations along the way. Hindsight however is always 20-20.
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I remember a lot of posters saying Johnson was PM and Cummins was just an advisor.

The buck stops with Bunter.

But the Tory cult will still think he’s a great guy with his thumbs up who did his best in difficult circumstance, I can almost hear them say it.

There‘s even a closet Tory on here who has put another thread on here trying to convolute a criticism of Starmer to the latest instalment of the Tory debacle.

The Tories should be ashamed of themselves for putting this PM in office.
 
I said last year these feckers should face corporate manslaughter charges for throwing the old timers out of hospitals back into care homes without testing them - sadly i don’t think any of those responsible will get the jail time they deserve. It will be another case of circling the wagons whilst the compliant MSM carefully sweep things under an already bulging carpet





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RavsDad said:
Quite the contrary. It's the lefties Wet dream day. No nightmare for me, in fact I can sit back and laugh at how they can lap this up. I'm not claiming any massive victories for the Government (other than securing vaccine supplies whilst the EU sat on its thumbs) and achieving Brexit was part of that success. They've got plenty wrong, along with many of the other major civilisations across the World.
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Yes the Tory Party and it’s cult supporters have plenty to be ashamed about and I don’t say that with any kind of pleasure, this country is in a shocking state.
 
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