Three points debacle

MFP
The game was cancelled at 10:30 on Friday morning before supposed 15:00 Saturday kick off. Ample notice for calling a game off.
Then the bull**** started.
It was Blackburn who started the lies saying things like the were at the ground changed and ready to play and all the food was cooked and they wouldn’t be able to get rid of it, and other such rubbish. The southern press couldn’t wait to get “Too big for their boots Boro” relegated
 
FRIDAY 20TH DECEMBER 1996

Approx. Times


1030 hours: Club Manager Mr. Robson advises Club Chief Executive Mr. Lamb that in addition to a serious injury crisis the situation has been exacerbated by a virus which has disabled 8 members of our playing staff, leaving available only 17 players from a squad of 40. The 17 fit players consist of 3 goal keepers and 5 young players who have never featured in the first team squad.

1045 hours: Club Doctor Dunn advises Mr. Robson and Mr. Lamb “I am uncertain how many of the 17 fit players will be fit tomorrow due to the virus”

1100 hours: Mr. Lamb rings the Premier League and asks to speak to Mr. Parry. Mr. Lamb is told that Mr. Parry is away from the office. Mr. Lamb asks to speak to Mr. Foster but is told that Mr. Foster is on holiday. Mr. Lamb eventually speaks to Mr. Cooke and asks for guidance on whether a game can be postponed.

He is told.

1. No power for the Premier League Board to postpone a game exists in rules of the Premier League.
2. The game could be postponed on the grounds of “just cause” but this had to be a decision made by Middlesbrough Football Club.
3. That Mr. Lamb should list the injured and ill players and confirm this by fax to the Premier League before the postponement is announced.

1130 hours: Mr. Lamb contacts Mr. Cooke further and invites the Premier League to conduct an independent medical assessment of the playing staff. MR. Cooke declines this offer and asks Mr. Lamb to send medical evidence by post.

1200 hours: Mr. Lamb drafts the letter containing the detail requested by Mr. Cooke and calls him to confirm that the wording and content is sufficient for the Premier League requirements.

1250 hours: Mr. Lamb sends the fax requested by Mr. Cooke having carefully considered that the circumstances constitute”just cause”. Mr. Lamb rings Mr. Cooke to inform him of the Clubs decision to postpone the game. Mr. Cooke volunteers to inform Blackburn Rovers and agrees that Mr. Lamb should inform the press at 1300 hours. Mr. Cooke informs Mr. Lamb of the potential breach of Rule B.19.1 after Mr. Cooke had spoken to Mr. Parry. Mr. Lamb tells Mr. Cooke that he is confident that the situation will amount to “just cause”.

1300 hours: At the weekly pre-match press conference Mr. Lamb and Mr. Robson announce the postponement of the game by Middlesbrough Football Club.

1430 hours: Mr. Lamb returns to his office, a message awaits that Mr. Foster had rung at approx. 1300 hours. Furthermore Mr. Finn of Blackburn Rovers had rung to express his surprise that he had heard of the postponement through the media. Mr. Foster speaks to Mr. Lamb and advises Mr. Lamb that the Club must accept the consequence of the postponement.

1. Why did Mr Cooke advise that no rule exists for the Board to postpone a game when power exists under rule B2(2)?
2. Why was Mr Lamb advised the Mr Parry was away from the office when we now know that he was on the premises?
3. Why did Mr Cooke not advise that there were no cases that could give guidance on what constituted “just cause” especially given the findings of the FA Board of Appeal in 1987 which instructed Mr Graham Kelly to change the “just cause” rule because it is unfair to ask Clubs to decide for themselves what amounts to “just cause” and then punish them if they get it wrong (Doncaster v Chester 16/12/87)?
4. Why did Mr Cooke not tell Mr Lamb that he had to play the game especially given the Doncaster v Chester 1987 FA Board of Appeal ruling which says that Clubs should always be told to play the game if they enough fit players.
5. Why did Mr Cooke ask Mr Lamb to send a fax and send medical evidence if he knew that the Club had more than 11 fit players and that the game should be played (Doncaster v Chester 16/12/97)
6. Why did Mr Cooke not ring Blackburn Rovers and inform them of the postponement as he volunteered?
7. At what time did Mr Cooke advise Mr Parry of my Clubs problems and what information did Mr Cooke pass to Mr Parry?
8. Did Mr Parry seek to constitute a Board meeting with Sir John Quentin and if not why not?
9. Why did neither Mr Parry, Mr Cooke nor Mr Foster at any time either verbally of in writing inform Mr Lamb that the game could not be postponed on the grounds of “just cause” for the reasons given orally and in writing by Mr Lamb to Mr Cooke?

Taken from miniboro.com
 
As I recall we were told we could call the game off if we thought we had "just cause" rather than being told yes you can call it off or no you can't.

I always felt it was ridiculous that a governing body should provide such vague instructions.

Since then I've worked with lawyers a great deal and have found you'd be lucky to get a straight answer as to whether they want milk and sugar in their tea.
 
MFP
The game was cancelled at 10:30 on Friday morning before supposed 15:00 Saturday kick off. Ample notice for calling a game off.
Then the bull**** started.
It was Blackburn who started the lies saying things like the were at the ground changed and ready to play and all the food was cooked and they wouldn’t be able to get rid of it, and other such rubbish. The southern press couldn’t wait to get “Too big for their boots Boro” relegated
That's not true.
And trying to make Blackburn out as a bad guy here is really low. There was no courtesy or respect from us (Lamb) shown towards them at all.
 
Surely the "fair" outcome if we were deemed to have tried to avoid the fixture because we knew we'd lose would be to award the 3 points to Blackburn. The only advantage anyone could possibly have argued we'd sought to gain was to play Blackburn with a stronger team available than we did.

As opposed to West Ham, who deliberately tried to get around the rules to give them the advantage in every game they played with the ineligible international class players they were using.

People might say they just didn't care about us, but I'm not sure that's true. We put a lot of noses out of joint with the players we were signing. The tabloids took great pleasure in running down the area at the time "why on earth would anyone sign for them, it's a dump?" was the gist.

My mate at school hated us (derby fan) and wrote a letter to 442 magazine along those lines, how players like Ravanelli shouldn't be joining a club like Boro. It got letter of the week.

A lot of people were delighted to see us fail. I wouldn't be surprised if some of that feeling was present in the governing body too.
 
17 fit players

5 young players never featured in the first team
31 DF ENG Alan White
32 FW ENG Andy Campbell
33 MF ENG Mark Summerbell
34 MF IRL Keith O'Halloran
35 MF ENG Anthony Ormerod
one would have started and four would have been named subs

3 goalkeepers
1 GK England ENG Alan Miller
13 GK England ENG Gary Walsh
25 GK England ENG Ben Roberts

9 fit first team outfield players
Juninho
Beck
Ravanelli

Who were the other six first team players that were fit to play?
 
I remember Warnock graciously accepting the decision :mad:

Didn't Sheff Utd take them to tribunal or something and won? But the tribunal had no power so it basically made no difference other than to state that in principle the decision not to dock WHAM points was wrong. Farcical.
 
MFP
Lamb was told by Cooke that he would inform Blackburn of the postponement and Lamb should inform the press at 13:00 which he did. Cooke didn’t inform Blackburn so they found out via Skynews whose fault is that certainly not Lambs
And why did we make no effort whatsoever to inform Blackburn of our intentions prior to that? Do you think extending that club a courtesy would have been the right thing to do in that situation?
It was sheer arrogance from Lamb.
 
Didn't Sheff Utd take them to tribunal or something and won? But the tribunal had no power so it basically made no difference other than to state that in principle the decision not to dock WHAM points was wrong. Farcical.
They reached an out of court settlement with West ham of around 18 million.
 
10 minutes before to going to the media? Yet according to to Gibson's account, it was clear many hours before that we were not going to play that game.
 
I have seen us relegated, lose in the play offs, lose cup finals, semi finals, and quarter finals. Gutted and at times felt robbed but still completely in love with our national sport.
This was one of the very few times in football when I was totally ashamed of the game itself and felt like giving up on it.
It felt the same as when Maradona cheated.
In my view the greatest league in the world cheated. Everyone was trying to convince me it was right. It wasn't right as shown by what happened with West Ham.
It was arrogant, corrupt, dishonest, and disrespectful to the good people who support the Boro.
It sickens me to think about it even now.
 
I have no time for Keith Lamb whatsoever but in this case I believe he was following the procedures that were there at that time, however poor they were,that wasn’t his fault.
Premier League were negligent in my opinion
 
I haven’t read the full thread so apologies if this is repetitive.

There is a mythology around that season that I think rewrites history. We were a poor team that year and, first two months and the cups aside, we looked and felt like a team that was going to be relegated. It was not a season of champagne football. That was rare and reserved for the cup games and usually against poorer opposition (with a couple of notable exceptions).

I draw two high level conclusions:

1. It was a ridiculously poor and incompetent decision to cal off the game without having got permission in writing. I blame the club for that serious error.

2. I don’t think the season would have played out in the way it did absent the siege mentality and the feeling that we’d been the victim of an injustice. It galvanised the team and the fans. There is a good chance we would have gone down anyway.
 
I haven’t read the full thread so apologies if this is repetitive.

There is a mythology around that season that I think rewrites history. We were a poor team that year and, first two months and the cups aside, we looked and felt like a team that was going to be relegated. It was not a season of champagne football. That was rare and reserved for the cup games and usually against poorer opposition (with a couple of notable exceptions).

I draw two high level conclusions:

1. It was a ridiculously poor and incompetent decision to cal off the game without having got permission in writing. I blame the club for that serious error.

2. I don’t think the season would have played out in the way it did absent the siege mentality and the feeling that we’d been the victim of an injustice. It galvanised the team and the fans. There is a good chance we would have gone down anyway.

Maybe. But Schwarzer, Festa and to a lesser extent kinder, made a big difference too.
 
I haven’t read the full thread so apologies if this is repetitive.

There is a mythology around that season that I think rewrites history. We were a poor team that year and, first two months and the cups aside, we looked and felt like a team that was going to be relegated. It was not a season of champagne football. That was rare and reserved for the cup games and usually against poorer opposition (with a couple of notable exceptions).

I draw two high level conclusions:

1. It was a ridiculously poor and incompetent decision to cal off the game without having got permission in writing. I blame the club for that serious error.

2. I don’t think the season would have played out in the way it did absent the siege mentality and the feeling that we’d been the victim of an injustice. It galvanised the team and the fans. There is a good chance we would have gone down anyway.

If your second point is correct then I also doubt we would have come straight back up.
The feeling of injustice was a major motivating factor the following season.
If we had been relegated with a whimper the atmosphere around the club would have been completely different.
 
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