Tories close gap on Labour to 1 point

SmallTown said:
Maybe it doesn't sit will with them that they are helping out the Tories? I guess not, but they are.
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It's tragic isn't it. The Labour landslide of 2024 dashed by me slacking off at work one afternoon two years earlier and pointing out some differences between Starmers leadership campaign and performance. They were so close and it was all ruined by some pesky fmttm socialists. Historians will look back on this thread and say this was the beginning of the end.

Or maybe not. 🤷‍♂️
 
SuperStu said:
It's tragic isn't it. The Labour landslide of 2024 dashed by me slacking off at work one afternoon two years earlier and pointing out some differences between Starmers leadership campaign and performance. They were so close and it was all ruined by some pesky fmttm socialists. Historians will look back on this thread and say this was the beginning of the end.

Or maybe not. 🤷‍♂️
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Yeah, because being a sarcastic little sod is helping your argument.

So, you think that labour infighting, and people attacking the leader will help the party get votes? How does that work, pray tell? I'm all ears
 
SmallTown said:
Yeah, because being a sarcastic little sod is helping your argument.

So, you think that labour infighting, and people attacking the leader will help the party get votes? How does that work, pray tell? I'm all ears
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ST if you really want to know what i think then here goes: I think Labour infighting is currently very overstated. There's not really any of it going on.

Compre to the situation a few years ago. Groups of MPs were breaking off to start a new party, thats not happening now. The deputy leader was constantly attacking the leader, thats not happening now. The likes of Ian Austin and Kezia Dugdale were telling voters to vote tory, I don't know of any left-wing labour representatives doing that now.

You don't need to worry so much. Your man Starmer's got the party sewn up.
 
I have some high hopes for Starmer but Stu & Co. are right that they are not based on much evidence so far.

When it comes down to it, the two tests will be the manifesto and how well the deliver it.

At this stage, in the absence of much evidence, I'm choosing to be positive and optimistic. Those who had such high hopes for Corbyn and blame Starmer for his demise look at it in the opposite way.

There are always going to be disappointments. The Manifesto, like the 2017 and 2019 ones, will be a collaborative effort. I expect some disappointments in it.

Events will no doubt lead to more disappointments in how much they achieve.

Perhaps Stu is wise, he can only be pleasantly surprised whereas I can only be disappointed somewhat. Again.
 
Lefty said:
I have some high hopes for Starmer but Stu & Co. are right that they are not based on much evidence so far.

When it comes down to it, the two tests will be the manifesto and how well the deliver it.

At this stage, in the absence of much evidence, I'm choosing to be positive and optimistic. Those who had such high hopes for Corbyn and blame Starmer for his demise look at it in the opposite way.

There are always going to be disappointments. The Manifesto, like the 2017 and 2019 ones, will be a collaborative effort. I expect some disappointments in it.

Events will no doubt lead to more disappointments in how much they achieve.

Perhaps Stu is wise, he can only be pleasantly surprised whereas I can only be disappointed somewhat. Again.
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Again I hope you turn out to be correct Lefty. I'm still the easiest voter around for Starmers Labour to win over. All he has to do is stop punching left and give me a policy to vote for. I'm here waiting to be triangulated by the self declared "electables".
 
Super Stu, a 2 simple easy questios.

Do you think increasing Corporation tax will increase Treasury income?

Do you think it will increase employment in the private sector?
 
SuperStu said:
Again I hope you turn out to be correct Lefty. I'm still the easiest voter around for Starmers Labour to win over. All he has to do is stop punching left and give me a policy to vote for. I'm here waiting to be triangulated by the self declared "electables".
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I hope so too.

The thing I didn't like Starmer doing - or rather trying to do - was sideline Raynor. It was a mirror of what Corbyn and LOTO tried to do with Watson.

That was a shocking underhand event which only failed due to, yep, the incompetence of the left. There were plenty of good reasons they had to be angry with Watson and he certainly sailed close to the line for me.

Starmer had less reason with Raynor. It also showed some incompetence at not knowing what he was allowed to do.

Both attempts were wrong. These democratic choices should be respected and mostly because a wide range of views make for better policy.

I am encouraged at what appears on the surface to be a warming and useful relationship between them. The dynamic is working for me, as is the perception at least of some unity at the top.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Can you explain how expelling jews who support Palestine and calling them anti-Semites is necessary, and how they brought it upon themselves?
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Here is the reason

"Labour is a broad, welcoming and democratic party and we are committed to ensuring it stays that way.
"The NEC has decided that these organisations are not compatible with Labour's rules or our aims and values."

Here is the validation

'The Jewish Labour Movement said it welcomed the decision and the "strong political signal it sends".
It tweeted that "membership of these groups is incompatible with Labour's values and its drive to tackle anti-Semitism in our party".

  • 91 percent of Jewish JLM members agree with statement: ‘I trust that Keir Starmer is genuinely trying to tackle antisemitism’. Only 2.8% agreed this was the case under Corbyn.
  • 70 percent of these respondents said Labour is a safe space for Jewish people under Keir Starmer’s leadership. Only 4% agreed it was under Jeremy Corbyn.
  • 70.14 percent of the respondents agreed with the statement that ‘The last few years of attention to the issue of antisemitism in the Labour Party has reinforced the importance of my Jewish identity to me’.
  • 88 percent of those respondents agree that ‘Over the past twelve months, the Labour Party has made positive changes to its policies, processes, rules and culture in relation to antisemitism.’ 5% disagree.
  • 74 percent of Jewish respondents agree that any complaints they make to the Labour Party about antisemitism will be taken seriously.
Nearly 400 Jewish members, and a further 200 non-Jewish “ally” supporters, had responded to the questionnaire – making it by the far the biggest poll to be undertaken on the issue of anti-Jewish racism in Labour under Starmer.

It is understood that analysis of the survey results showed Jewish JLM members were actually more positive about the impact of Starmer’s leadership than ally members.

Over two-thirds who responded to the survey were Labour Party members (67.77%).'

There might have been some exceptions, but pretty much all who were expelled had every opportunity to avoid it. Instead they chose to be tone deaf and ignore the public perception and damage they were doing.
 
I thought Labour had moved into a double-digit lead in the polls, generally??

That is ridiculous if true. They say don't take notice of polls, but ..
 
Lefty, you post:-
Lefty said:
"Labour is a broad, welcoming and democratic party and we are committed to ensuring it stays that way.
"The NEC has decided that these organisations are not compatible with Labour's rules or our aims and values."
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and use as validation the Jewish Labour Movement. For goodness sake, the JLM are a zionist organisation and are affiliated with the Board of Deputies. Of course they are going to be hostile to Left wing Jews who support Palestine. This of course negates the statement above because you cannot be a broad, welcoming party if you bow to a pressure group who wish you to expel people with differing views.
 
I still haven't had an answer to Corporation Tax.


Here is the difference between the far left on here and me; they want higher taxes, I want a higher tax take.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
you cannot be a broad, welcoming party if you bow to a pressure group who wish you to expel people with differing views.
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So accept far right and/or far left applicants?

Also looking at the graph Starmer has maintained a 20 point approval advantage over Johnson in the period shown and overtaken Sunak. Statistics eh.
 
SuperStu said:
ST if you really want to know what i think then here goes: I think Labour infighting is currently very overstated. There's not really any of it going on.

Compre to the situation a few years ago. Groups of MPs were breaking off to start a new party, thats not happening now. The deputy leader was constantly attacking the leader, thats not happening now. The likes of Ian Austin and Kezia Dugdale were telling voters to vote tory, I don't know of any left-wing labour representatives doing that now.

You don't need to worry so much. Your man Starmer's got the party sewn up.
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He's not my man. I just get shocked at these threads I guess. So many people on this board post anti Tory sentiment and then attack labour. It's a tough circle to square
 
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