BlindBoyGrunt
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Amnesty International and the Human Rights Commission have both declared Israel an apartheid state. She is entitled to her view.
Tories close gap on Labour to 1 point
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BlindBoyGrunt
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Not much they don't. The Tories have now been in power much longer and have gotten progressively worse from Cameron to Johnson. Starmer is up against the most useless, corrupt, lying, cheating, racist, philandering bully boy that has ever lead the country and with a front bench to match. and only 46% of people who voted Labour last time round think he looks like a PM. He needs to do better.
BoroFur
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Who was Corbyn up against in the last GE?
Chris_Boro
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Maybe so, but if you're going to use a poll to make your argument context always matters as well as timing.
The Corbyn poll date I highlighted was right at the start of an election cycle and fell during it, Starmer has not had that opportunity yet.
Most people do not engage in politics in any form outside of an election cycle and are influenced heavily by which ever media they choose until that point.
The entire establishment. And fair play to them they smashed it and the left is now dead and buried. They won't need to try so hard next time round as they've won irrespective of which party sits on which side of the commons.
BlindBoyGrunt
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It makes no difference because I'm not debating Corbyn v Starmer and didn't introduce Corbyn into the conversation. I am commenting on this thread which is about today.
BoroFur
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Lefty
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I don't suppose you have figures for how previous successful contenders were viewed by the public during their time in opposition and also unsuccessful ones?
That sort of comparison might have some worth, would you agree?
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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How about every media source for a kick off. Try going up against that. The public service broadcasters in particular were a disgrace.
Chris_Boro
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Umm, this entire thread has morphed (like it always does) into a Labour infighting thread which is a Legacy of the Corbyn leadership and after. (Both for and against)
As a result, I posted a relevant comparison which you claim doesn't matter, I'd argue that in the context of this thread, it does.
I'm not really bothered if you don't and I'm not going to engage any further into this thread beyond that.
Same_as_before
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What about the countries that ethnically cleansed Jews?
Chris_Boro
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Ed Miliband...
David Cameron's is harder to find (on my phone anyway), this was from 2009 post financial crash...
From an FT article I read suggests Cameron's popularity was very average pre 2008, his popularity within the Conservatives spiked post 2008 along with the expenses scandal (which is hilarious given the scale of the current government's scandal efforts).
BlindBoyGrunt
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For comparisons to be made you have to ask the same question at the same stage.
My graph answers the question "Does he look like a prime minister in waiting" in midterm.
Your first graph answers the same question but immediately before Corbyn's second GE.
Your last one is from the Daily Telegraph and asks how Gordon Brown is doing as incumbent.
i'll leave you to draw the conclusions but I will take them on board when you post them.
Chris_Boro
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The same stage is not a straightforward suggestion, Corbyn had an election less than 2 years into his term, the Brexit referendum and a leadership challenge.
The hight of his approval with Labour voters was around 6 months after he was voted in at around 70% which then plunged after the Brexit referendum and rose again before the 2017 GE when fighting against an awful May minority government.
However, despite his high approval ratings, the most similar question I can find to yours at a similar time considering the above (Yougov) is this...
The question on your poll will look similar to the above, and the answer isn't just based on the person but on the person's/parties ability to be actually elected. Starmer compares similar to most opposition leaders in my research, but can only be fully compared after a GE.
Gordon Brown was not the point of the poll, it was all I could find on David Cameron's approval rating as opposition leader as per Lefty's question.
Chris_Boro
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Same_as_before
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If that's the case why are the Tory's trying to close it down? One step at a time.
BlindBoyGrunt
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If you're talking about public service broadcasters, they won't try to close them down but privatise them, then they and their supporters can own them and own the narrative.
Same_as_before
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I am, you cannot argue that the BBC is pro Tory if they want to shut it.
The strength of the BBC is that both the Tories and the Left hate it.
BlindBoyGrunt
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I'm not arguing that but your analysis is flawed. If he BBC was shut down it would give the likes of Murdoch free rein. If the BBC was privatised it would have pretty much the same effect. Either way the Tories would have complete control over the broadcast media. They are already trying to privatise C4.