Sunak stood on the same mandate as Johnson, he was even party spokesman in a number of debates for them. It was Truss who wrongly moved away from the manifesto despite this being what the membership rather than the electorate wanted. If Sunak goes back to it as much as possible taking into account COVID and the Ukraine - Russia war then he has the same election mandate to follow as Johnson would have if he hadn’t (rightly) backed out.
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Jedi boro
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The tories have been courting the south Asian vote for years now ( Cameron was really big on this) as they link the tenets of conservatism ( family religion rule of law free enterprise) with traditional “Indian” values and you can see the impact of this new demographic on the front bench.
It’s been a particularly successful strategy but as you say it does rather contradict others views but surprisingly migration also plays well with this demographic as well.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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That goes for the rest of the electorate though, Johnson was elected and didn't take long, with the help of Sunak, to throw billions and billions into the pockets of donors and allies.
ForssAwakens
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Same applies for the Tory members then, they know how the party works…..It's how the political system in this country works Chris
No point foaming at the mouth about it now....
Thanks
The_Lizards_Jumpers
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Of course it does, because to even consider voting Conservative you've got to be selfish to a rather large degree, and therefore you're comfortable with "pulling the ladder up" and not offering the same opportunities to new migrants as you have benefitted from.
Jedi boro
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It was a deliberate strategy.
The Conservative leadership of the time identified this demographic as potential voters. From the 1980s onwards, the Tories began to court an imagined “Indian community”, limited to east African Indians who had settled around London. Successful British Indians were held up as evidence of what could be achieved under a free-market Conservative government. In 1988, Thatcher welcomed the new Indian high commissioner to Britain with the following words: “We so much welcome the resourceful Indian community here in Britain. You have brought the virtues of family, of hard work and of resolve to make a better life … you are displaying splendid qualities of enterprise and initiative, which benefit not just you and your families but the Indian community and indeed the nation as a whole.”
Fast-forward to 2010, and the Conservatives held 30% of the British Indian vote. After 30 years of Thatcherite ideology, British Indians were the most pro-Conservative ethnic minority, after the Jewish community. After decades of gradual advance, this number soared to 40% in 2017. In the 2019 election, as the Conservatives chased a realignment towards white northern voters based on racist scaremongering, support in constituencies with high Indian populations increased substantially again. At every point, this has included members of both groups of Indian migrants. Now British Indians make up 15% of the Tory cabinet.
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The Conservative leadership of the time identified this demographic as potential voters. From the 1980s onwards, the Tories began to court an imagined “Indian community”, limited to east African Indians who had settled around London. Successful British Indians were held up as evidence of what could be achieved under a free-market Conservative government. In 1988, Thatcher welcomed the new Indian high commissioner to Britain with the following words: “We so much welcome the resourceful Indian community here in Britain. You have brought the virtues of family, of hard work and of resolve to make a better life … you are displaying splendid qualities of enterprise and initiative, which benefit not just you and your families but the Indian community and indeed the nation as a whole.”
Fast-forward to 2010, and the Conservatives held 30% of the British Indian vote. After 30 years of Thatcherite ideology, British Indians were the most pro-Conservative ethnic minority, after the Jewish community. After decades of gradual advance, this number soared to 40% in 2017. In the 2019 election, as the Conservatives chased a realignment towards white northern voters based on racist scaremongering, support in constituencies with high Indian populations increased substantially again. At every point, this has included members of both groups of Indian migrants. Now British Indians make up 15% of the Tory cabinet.
How did British Indians become so prominent in the Conservative party? | Neha Shah
Since Thatcher’s day, the Conservatives have held the community up as a model minority, says activist and researcher Neha Shah
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HolgateCorner
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There are a lot of contradictions in Tory policy.It was a deliberate strategy.
The Conservative leadership of the time identified this demographic as potential voters. From the 1980s onwards, the Tories began to court an imagined “Indian community”, limited to east African Indians who had settled around London. Successful British Indians were held up as evidence of what could be achieved under a free-market Conservative government. In 1988, Thatcher welcomed the new Indian high commissioner to Britain with the following words: “We so much welcome the resourceful Indian community here in Britain. You have brought the virtues of family, of hard work and of resolve to make a better life … you are displaying splendid qualities of enterprise and initiative, which benefit not just you and your families but the Indian community and indeed the nation as a whole.”
Fast-forward to 2010, and the Conservatives held 30% of the British Indian vote. After 30 years of Thatcherite ideology, British Indians were the most pro-Conservative ethnic minority, after the Jewish community. After decades of gradual advance, this number soared to 40% in 2017. In the 2019 election, as the Conservatives chased a realignment towards white northern voters based on racist scaremongering, support in constituencies with high Indian populations increased substantially again. At every point, this has included members of both groups of Indian migrants. Now British Indians make up 15% of the Tory cabinet.
How did British Indians become so prominent in the Conservative party? | Neha Shah
Since Thatcher’s day, the Conservatives have held the community up as a model minority, says activist and researcher Neha Shah
We now have Sunak and Braverman who are from families of recent immigrants now in charge of being tough on immigration.
homesickblues
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Isnt it illegal immigration that seems to be the issue rather than all immigration?
HolgateCorner
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That’s a good question, I know a few Tories who are not happy with any immigration these days on the basis that we are already overcrowded.
Jedi boro
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It’s an odd one but as I say migration is a big issue even among Asian “immigrants”, think of the Cubans in Florida who support trump and the wall.
dooderooni
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I think legal and illegal immigration are the same thing to a lot of the right wing. The two terms are politically expedient though as they allow a way to argue against the severity of immigration policy. Imagine setting such a high bar for legal immigration that you could encompass thousands of law abiding, productive people under the banner of illegality just to win votes? That's what is happening in the US and it'll come here if we don't actively rid the right of the power they currently strive to retain.
JM14
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Last time they got a vote our mortgages went up £400 quid as a result, probably best they sit this one out
Tory members vent fury at Rishi Sunak’s coronation by MPs
Rishi Sunak's rise to Tory leader without a membership vote fuels discontent among the grassroots.www.bbc.co.uk
And what about the other 65,000,000 of us, do we not get a say either, or with the previous PM, or with BJ when he first became PM, or Theresa May when she first came to be PM, or am I being fussy.
Not according to what is reported in the Independent article below.
As it mentions, he wants to reduce overall net migration numbers (i.e. legal immigration).
In fact by re-appointing Braverman as Home Secretary he seems to be tacitly approving her stated desire of reducing net migration "to the tens of thousands."
Sunak reverses Truss Immigration policy
Indeed, the article also points out this reversal will make meeting fiscal targets harder, since: