Laughing
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BoroFur I think the answer to that is none of them.
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1finny
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The thing with this is - short memories.
Evidence of Tory corruption has been well documented over they years and, even more so, with PPE contacts Recently
And few cared
It gets the front page of the Mail and it’s like some people go
‘really, I never knew that, I don’t like them now’
Then, next week when Johnson does his messy hair chat to someone it will be forgotten.
Chris_Boro
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I would hope none, maybe reform if the get a MP.
1finny
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Lib Dem’s have already said it is a nightmare for all non Tory Parties to support an independent (not sure why mind)
So, Labour have said they are going to put up a candidate
Chris_Boro
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This is true, especially of those YouGuv target for their polling it seems, they always quietly produce a "correction" poll a few weeks after a Tory fall.
All these Tory scandals are death by a thousand cuts to the Tory support as their gains in the above polls keep getting smaller which will only add fuel to those who will happily turn on Johnson.
Johnson loves nothing more than the dull splat of a body hitting the tarmac as a bus hurtles round the corner. But this time 200 + of the compliant dangle bunnies behind him on the benches have been exposed for exactly for what they are. Not happy bunnies now. He’s lost the dressing room this time. Tick tock
Abel Tasman
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Yes the party WILL turn on the leader. They always do.
BoroFur
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Not a fan of Andrew Pierce at all but this is an extremely good read and does not bode well for Johnson.
ANDREW PIERCE on a political fiasco that humbled Boris Johnson https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...ohnson.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead
ANDREW PIERCE on a political fiasco that humbled Boris Johnson https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...ohnson.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead
Unravel_Morrison
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While Johnson retains his polling lead, he'll be fine.
The papers will be back onside within a week or two and all this will be forgotten. The by-election will be a walkover for whoever the Tories put forward.
The papers will be back onside within a week or two and all this will be forgotten. The by-election will be a walkover for whoever the Tories put forward.
Probably true. But will also depend to some extent on turnout, and especially if the majority is down, even relevant to the turnout, which is bound to be a lower for a by-election.
It will be an indication of which way the wind is blowing. That’s why Tories, well this Libertarian English Nationalist version, walk around with their noses in the air…constantly sniffing how their own self interests are in danger. If they think the gravy train slowing….he’ll be gone
BoroMart
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its'a very safe tory seat, really unlikely that they'll vote anything but blue, even if they the opposition stand aside for an anti corruption candidate
swordtrombonefish
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John Major - maybe he was a "grey man" but at least he has the balls to say what other conservatives might only think...
Ex-PM John Major: Government handling of Paterson case shameful
Conservative Sir John Major says the government has trashed Parliament's reputation at home and abroad over the Owen Paterson case.
www.bbc.co.uk
LaPennaBianca
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Rory Stewart wrote a character reference for Owen Paterson, so that austerity loving war monger is a non starter.
Money talks , look at the DUP
SmallTown
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This is good. When even the man who privatised the railways thinks these guys have gone too far it's worth noting.John Major - maybe he was a "grey man" but at least he has the balls to say what other conservatives might only think...
Ex-PM John Major: Government handling of Paterson case shameful
Conservative Sir John Major says the government has trashed Parliament's reputation at home and abroad over the Owen Paterson case.www.bbc.co.uk
It's also a point that, I know a majority on here are Labour supporters and see it as a Labour v Tory thing. I don't see it as that. This lot don't represent traditional Tory values at all. It's really isn't a case of right v left at the moment. It's right v wrong
BoroFur
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John Major has a long standing beef with Johnson but that doesn't make his criticism any less valid.
About the NI protocol he said today on Radio 4:-
“I think it would be colossally stupid to do that. To use Article 16, to suspend parts of the protocol, would be absurd.
“This protocol is being denounced week after week by Lord Frost and the prime minister. Who negotiated the wretched protocol? Lord Frost and the prime minister.
“They negotiated it, they signed it, they now wish to break it.”
About the NI protocol he said today on Radio 4:-
“I think it would be colossally stupid to do that. To use Article 16, to suspend parts of the protocol, would be absurd.
“This protocol is being denounced week after week by Lord Frost and the prime minister. Who negotiated the wretched protocol? Lord Frost and the prime minister.
“They negotiated it, they signed it, they now wish to break it.”
NYboro
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What I find really sad in that report is this statement:John Major - maybe he was a "grey man" but at least he has the balls to say what other conservatives might only think...
Ex-PM John Major: Government handling of Paterson case shameful
Conservative Sir John Major says the government has trashed Parliament's reputation at home and abroad over the Owen Paterson case.www.bbc.co.uk
"Labour has ruled out standing aside in the forthcoming by-election".
Putting just one candidate up against the Tory might just pull off a surprise.
Laughing
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I don't know the maths but if a single candidate stands and the math works out they perhaps should be doing that. They may still have a candidate and an agreement either not to campaign or campaign for the next nearest party