Ukraine good and bad news

TeessideCleveland said:
While in no way condoning mistreatment of prisoners in any way - if this is true - let's remember the Azov soldiers are in their own country (or there with the Ukrainian government's blessing) and Russian invaders are not.
If Putin wants to show it then maybe it will scare a few more Russians - and make the liberation of Ukraine easier.


A military analyst today (according to Sky News) said they think Russia will overpower Ukraine in Donbass and Crimea - but for me that means hopefully they will at least be booted harder and harder out of the rest of the country they have no right to be in
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Totally agree. Bit like a catching a burglar in your house, how you deal with it should be up to you.

Not see that outspoken Russian female newscaster for a while, no doubt Russia are dealing with her, their way.
 
Norfolkred1 said:
Totally agree. Bit like a catching a burglar in your house, how you deal with it should be up to you.

Not see that outspoken Russian female newscaster for a while, no doubt Russia are dealing with her, their way.
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She’s been fined. But she’s back saying sanctions are Russophobic and other twaddle.
 
Norfolkred1 said:
Leave no one behind. Not looking good for this one.

MSN

www.msn.com
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That's the kind of sensationalist shyte that feeds the negative folklore of war.
How the fk do people know the 40 year old mum killed 40 Ukrainians?
The gullible swallow this poison and it gets repeated as macabre fact.
Hate it.
 
zzzzz said:
That's the kind of sensationalist shyte that feeds the negative folklore of war.
How the fk do people know the 40 year old mum killed 40 Ukrainians?
The gullible swallow this poison and it gets repeated as macabre fact.
Hate it.
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She may well have killed 40. It could be more if she's been a sniper since 2014.
 
Norfolkred1 said:
Totally agree. Bit like a catching a burglar in your house, how you deal with it should be up to you.
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I think taking the morale high ground with prisoners of war is worth so much more, and shows you to be a truly developed nation, in that respect.

Most of the Russians probably don't want to be there, have been conned to thinking there's good reason to be there or even if they know the truth, they'd rather not be having to fight to get what they think they want. The soldiers just want to be sat at home on a Friday night with a beer in hand, like the rest of us.

I don't have the same feeling for burglars though, that's more about choice to me. Maybe not fully in that instance, if they're desperate, but it's often a chain of bad choices leading to crime or they're there purely by choice. I don't think I would be against non lethal force for defence of families and homes, using specific weapons like tasers etc, but there would have to be a mechanism in place where they were locked in a safe, locked to the user/ family over 18 (with no criminal record), and the premises. Obv don't want them getting into the wrong hands, or being used out on the street.
 
Ok, I wasn't going to post any more from my friend, but this morning's update is interesting/bonkers ... so, with the caveat that I am condensing and paraphrasing a long document from someone else who has access to intelligence reports. They are his thoughts, not mine ... so take em or leave em. Here goes.

Although some fighting will continue, the war as it was is effectively over. The russian forces are being chased north or are retreating to dig in South East. Ukraine mechanised division is now preparing to head that way to re-take lost territory. The Russian chain of command has gone. Government in Russia is in a state of collapse. 75,000 govt employees ... from all ranks, bottom to top... have left their jobs/the country. Open dissent is now being broadcast unchallenged in Russian media. Apparently Russian state TV is not only now using the word "war" but are openly acknowledging that it has been lost. There is now widespread "concern" that the whole mis-adventure has resulted in the potential breakdown of the "old Russia". (An aside from me, this all sounds a bit worrying).

The military ... the old school marshals, are in honest dialogue with the west (not Nato or the US, but other independent countries like Finland). Their concern is that they will not only lose Donbass and the Crimea, but that the Ukraine may get excited and venture further. They are looking for guarantees against this. Basically they are beginning negotiations for surrender/end of the conflict. This is the military acting independently of Moscow. The losses of the last few days have been staggering and "too much to bear" for the old military heads.

Now the mental stuff. Putin is residing under Moscow between bunker D6 (?) and a command bunker at Vnkovo(?). More or less alone, save his daughter (who is his physician .... he doesn't trust anyone else) and, weirdly, some Aeroflot cabin crew. He did have his grandkids with him (he spent days watching cartoons while his military were being routed) but they have been sent to Belarus now. Apparently he trashed his office several days ago and tore ligaments in the process, so is now on heavy painkillers (great, a mad president on opoids), which have in turn made him constipated, so he is on the prune juice.

How does western intelligence know all of this? Good question, but apparently it is quite funny (black humour I am guessing). I am assured it will come out in time, when the info is no longer as sensitive, but the inference was that he is his own mole, effectively.

I accept that some, or all of the above may be total ballocks but, if you think it is, just ignore it. For my part, my friend has been a reliable and intelligent source for a long time. Prone to hyperbole at times, but usually that is for comic effect.
 
borolad259 said:
Ok, I wasn't going to post any more from my friend, but this morning's update is interesting/bonkers ... so, with the caveat that I am condensing and paraphrasing a long document from someone else who has access to intelligence reports. They are his thoughts, not mine ... so take em or leave em. Here goes.

Although some fighting will continue, the war as it was is effectively over. The russian forces are being chased north or are retreating to dig in South East. Ukraine mechanised division is now preparing to head that way to re-take lost territory. The Russian chain of command has gone. Government in Russia is in a state of collapse. 75,000 govt employees ... from all ranks, bottom to top... have left their jobs/the country. Open dissent is now being broadcast unchallenged in Russian media. Apparently Russian state TV is not only now using the word "war" but are openly acknowledging that it has been lost. There is now widespread "concern" that the whole mis-adventure has resulted in the potential breakdown of the "old Russia". (An aside from me, this all sounds a bit worrying).

The military ... the old school marshals, are in honest dialogue with the west (not Nato or the US, but other independent countries like Finland). Their concern is that they will not only lose Donbass and the Crimea, but that the Ukraine may get excited and venture further. They are looking for guarantees against this. Basically they are beginning negotiations for surrender/end of the conflict. This is the military acting independently of Moscow. The losses of the last few days have been staggering and "too much to bear" for the old military heads.

Now the mental stuff. Putin is residing under Moscow between bunker D6 (?) and a command bunker at Vnkovo(?). More or less alone, save his daughter (who is his physician .... he doesn't trust anyone else) and, weirdly, some Aeroflot cabin crew. He did have his grandkids with him (he spent days watching cartoons while his military were being routed) but they have been sent to Belarus now. Apparently he trashed his office several days ago and tore ligaments in the process, so is now on heavy painkillers (great, a mad president on opoids), which have in turn made him constipated, so he is on the prune juice.

How does western intelligence know all of this? Good question, but apparently it is quite funny (black humour I am guessing). I am assured it will come out in time, when the info is no longer as sensitive, but the inference was that he is his own mole, effectively.

I accept that some, or all of the above may be total ballocks but, if you think it is, just ignore it. For my part, my friend has been a reliable and intelligent source for a long time. Prone to hyperbole at times, but usually that is for comic effect.
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Sounds like we've reached Der Untergang part already.
 
borolad259 said:
Ok, I wasn't going to post any more from my friend, but this morning's update is interesting/bonkers ... so, with the caveat that I am condensing and paraphrasing a long document from someone else who has access to intelligence reports. They are his thoughts, not mine ... so take em or leave em. Here goes.

Although some fighting will continue, the war as it was is effectively over. The russian forces are being chased north or are retreating to dig in South East. Ukraine mechanised division is now preparing to head that way to re-take lost territory. The Russian chain of command has gone. Government in Russia is in a state of collapse. 75,000 govt employees ... from all ranks, bottom to top... have left their jobs/the country. Open dissent is now being broadcast unchallenged in Russian media. Apparently Russian state TV is not only now using the word "war" but are openly acknowledging that it has been lost. There is now widespread "concern" that the whole mis-adventure has resulted in the potential breakdown of the "old Russia". (An aside from me, this all sounds a bit worrying).

The military ... the old school marshals, are in honest dialogue with the west (not Nato or the US, but other independent countries like Finland). Their concern is that they will not only lose Donbass and the Crimea, but that the Ukraine may get excited and venture further. They are looking for guarantees against this. Basically they are beginning negotiations for surrender/end of the conflict. This is the military acting independently of Moscow. The losses of the last few days have been staggering and "too much to bear" for the old military heads.

Now the mental stuff. Putin is residing under Moscow between bunker D6 (?) and a command bunker at Vnkovo(?). More or less alone, save his daughter (who is his physician .... he doesn't trust anyone else) and, weirdly, some Aeroflot cabin crew. He did have his grandkids with him (he spent days watching cartoons while his military were being routed) but they have been sent to Belarus now. Apparently he trashed his office several days ago and tore ligaments in the process, so is now on heavy painkillers (great, a mad president on opoids), which have in turn made him constipated, so he is on the prune juice.

How does western intelligence know all of this? Good question, but apparently it is quite funny (black humour I am guessing). I am assured it will come out in time, when the info is no longer as sensitive, but the inference was that he is his own mole, effectively.

I accept that some, or all of the above may be total ballocks but, if you think it is, just ignore it. For my part, my friend has been a reliable and intelligent source for a long time. Prone to hyperbole at times, but usually that is for comic effect.
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Vnkovo could be Vnukovo - it’s a town, international airport and train stop just west of Moscow, not far from where I lived. I had heard he was in a bunker in Urals with close allies, but rumours will be rife just now.

As for western intelligence, it seems there are high level Russian assets, leaks or other espionage going on as the US has been very well informed in advance of Russia’s intentions and confident enough to go public.
 
Smoggle said:
Vnkovo could be Vnukovo - it’s a town, international airport and train stop, not far from where I lived. I had heard he was in a bunker in Urals with close allies, but rumours will be rife just now.

As for western intelligence, it seems there are assets, leaks or other espionage going on as the US has been very well informed in advance of Russia’s intentions and confident enough to go public.
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Apparently they have known his every move and all his plans well in advance. My source sent me a message well before the invasion, telling me the date and the time that Russian would cross into the Ukraine. He was two hours out ... the Russians went early.
 
borolad259 said:
Ok, I wasn't going to post any more from my friend, but this morning's update is interesting/bonkers ... so, with the caveat that I am condensing and paraphrasing a long document from someone else who has access to intelligence reports. They are his thoughts, not mine ... so take em or leave em. Here goes.

Although some fighting will continue, the war as it was is effectively over. The russian forces are being chased north or are retreating to dig in South East. Ukraine mechanised division is now preparing to head that way to re-take lost territory. The Russian chain of command has gone. Government in Russia is in a state of collapse. 75,000 govt employees ... from all ranks, bottom to top... have left their jobs/the country. Open dissent is now being broadcast unchallenged in Russian media. Apparently Russian state TV is not only now using the word "war" but are openly acknowledging that it has been lost. There is now widespread "concern" that the whole mis-adventure has resulted in the potential breakdown of the "old Russia". (An aside from me, this all sounds a bit worrying).

The military ... the old school marshals, are in honest dialogue with the west (not Nato or the US, but other independent countries like Finland). Their concern is that they will not only lose Donbass and the Crimea, but that the Ukraine may get excited and venture further. They are looking for guarantees against this. Basically they are beginning negotiations for surrender/end of the conflict. This is the military acting independently of Moscow. The losses of the last few days have been staggering and "too much to bear" for the old military heads.

Now the mental stuff. Putin is residing under Moscow between bunker D6 (?) and a command bunker at Vnkovo(?). More or less alone, save his daughter (who is his physician .... he doesn't trust anyone else) and, weirdly, some Aeroflot cabin crew. He did have his grandkids with him (he spent days watching cartoons while his military were being routed) but they have been sent to Belarus now. Apparently he trashed his office several days ago and tore ligaments in the process, so is now on heavy painkillers (great, a mad president on opoids), which have in turn made him constipated, so he is on the prune juice.

How does western intelligence know all of this? Good question, but apparently it is quite funny (black humour I am guessing). I am assured it will come out in time, when the info is no longer as sensitive, but the inference was that he is his own mole, effectively.

I accept that some, or all of the above may be total ballocks but, if you think it is, just ignore it. For my part, my friend has been a reliable and intelligent source for a long time. Prone to hyperbole at times, but usually that is for comic effect.
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Cheers.
As you say... pinch of salt stuff and coming from most on here I'd have got to the first line and moved on but you're no bullshyter so thanks for the info.
I hope even half of it is true. For sure the masses of corobarated imagery on Twitter etc of Russian losses suggests that they really are taking a huge battering.
I just hope someone gets to him before he gets to the big red button.
 
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