Universal Basic Income

Firstly it isn’t a myth people have 5 kids, lots of large single parent families exist. Where did I say ‘just for the benefits?’ I didn’t, you put that link in yourself. I even suggested some may choose to have less kids rather than more. The new system would have significant administration costs too, new software, staffing administration etc. Your assumption that crime would fall is just that, pure assumption, you can’t assume crime will fall, it isn’t just committed by the poor. Prices will rise, criminals will want their cut.

Prices increase with change usually, it always generally has when big changes occur and retailers and entrepreneurs want their cut of our money or to claw back losses from lean times, see decimalisation, joining the EU, Brexit, Covid, introduction of the Euro abroad etc, all saw price increases in affected areas, I see no reason why this wouldn’t cause inflationary rises. Immigration would definitely increase, people would want free money, where is the infrastructure, who is going to pay for the additional nurses, doctors, dentists, teachers, schools, housing that we need now, never mind if it happened. Taxes would have to rise to cover the inevitable shortfall imho. I really can not see it working, theories rarely play out how you think as mankind will find a way to feck it up, we always do.

I absolutely agree the system is broke, I’d love an extra £1600 a month, but there are far more needy people than I and you can’t just print money it effects the economy brutally, borrowing has to be paid back, when it isn’t it effects our worldwide financial credit ratings, that determines our interest rate of repayment, look how that dived on brexit.
For someone complaining about assumptions, you make a fair few yourself. As I said early on in this thread, why not wait until the study is complete and then examine the findings which will be based, in the main on facts not on assumptions based on opinions.
 
For someone complaining about assumptions, you make a fair few yourself. As I said early on in this thread, why not wait until the study is complete and then examine the findings which will be based, in the main on facts not on assumptions based on opinions.
Ok so why are you or anyone else commenting freely be giving your assumptions and opinion then, I thought it was ok to discuss and give opinion on a message board, thats its purpose, no?
 
Everybody gets it, that's the point. It's not just for those without income. However, in a trial carried out in Finland - where UBI was given to a random group of unemployed people, using people on regular unemployment benefits as a control group - it was found that those on UBI were more motivated to accept work that they otherwise might not have. Also:-

"People receiving the basic income reported better health and lower levels of stress, depression, sadness, and loneliness—all major determinants of happiness—than people in the control group. Recipients of the basic income also demonstrated more confidence in their cognitive skills, assessing their ability to remember, learn, and concentrate at higher levels than the control group did. And the basic income enabled people to perceive their financial situation as more secure and manageable, even though their incomes were no higher than those of people in the control group. Finally, basic-income recipients expressed higher levels of trust in their own future, their fellow citizens, and public institutions."
This was exactly the finding of a previous trial in the US in the 1970’s that Naomi Klein details. The positive impact on mental and physical health allowed previously unemployed people to take roles that were not intellectually stimulating or financially attractive. I’ll post the link when I can find the book! (‘This Changes Everything’)?
 
I like the idea of it, if it reduced poverty, homelessness and stopped all children from going hungry then it gets a yes from me.
 
You certainly would struggle on that amount in East Finchley. Can't imagine you would have enough for rent and council tax if single.
I would agree in an average London is about £1300/month for a small flat - I saw a horrendous Panorma TV programme on iPlayer at present where people were living in one room of one house for £900/month in Lewisham (cheaper part of London). The house has been a 3 bed council house but converted to 6 tiny bedsits. Small flat plus bills is £1600, so someone would have to still work to raise money to live.

In Jarrow I would have thought its possible to live independently and not have to work on a disposbale income of around £1350/month. You wouldn't have many luxuries, but enough for a roof, food, energy, public transport.
 
I would agree in an average London is about £1300/month for a small flat - I saw a horrendous Panorma TV programme on iPlayer at present where people were living in one room of one house for £900/month in Lewisham (cheaper part of London). The house has been a 3 bed council house but converted to 6 tiny bedsits. Small flat plus bills is £1600, so someone would have to still work to raise money to live.

In Jarrow I would have thought its possible to live independently and not have to work on a disposbale income of around £1350/month. You wouldn't have many luxuries, but enough for a roof, food, energy, public transport.
New technology ai wfh for all these factors there is no need for people on universal income to live in these property hotspots. There should be wholesale migration from the over populated south east over then next few decades
 
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