Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalised

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SmallTown said:
Propganda? You're questioning a scientific report shared by a government agency. And getting very very desperate in your attempts too.
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I'm questioning why the **** has another thread started immediately after the other one was closed because it had been done to death.

It is propaganda
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
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exactly
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Just because "all governments are lobbied" it does not equate that all statistical results released by government agencies are biased.

When they get picked up by the departments & politicians they are spun, when policy is developed based on them the lobbyists are interested in exercising influence but generally the facts are the facts, it is the interpretation that can be biased.
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I'll reword it for you

The CDC are a business that depends on money from lobbyists which is filtered down. That's how about politics works in my experience in the USA, With that becomes a distortion between what is ethical and what is money driven.

My initial post this morning was because I think it had been done to death yesterday on the other thread and then a new one starts up.
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Because the spreading of dangerous anti-vax data misrepresentation, misdirection and downright lies should be pulled up and corrected at every single opportunity, because it might just make one person stop and think ‘hang on a second…,this is actually nonsense. I’ve been played!’
Because anti-vax lies spread on social media are causing some (misinformed, manipulated, scared) people to reject a vaccine and die completely avoidable deaths.

This isn’t like politics and a case of people simply having differing opinions.
It’s a case of one side is backed up by data, science and evidence, across different organisations and professions throughout the world, and the other side is just wholeheartedly wrong, and malicious, and needs to be shut down.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
This isn’t like politics and a case of people simply having differing opinions.
It’s a case of one side is backed up by data, science and evidence, across different organisations and professions throughout the world, and the other side is just wholeheartedly wrong, and malicious, and needs to be shut down.
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100% this. There are enough stupid people in world who look for nuggets like this to 'prove' their own views.

It's not about propaganda, it's about saving lives. We've lost so many as it is.
 
bear66 said:
No you didn't. Unless you've edited your first post. Or if that was your thinking, which you didn't actually elucidate in your first post, your belittling of verifiable factual data is even more of a disgrace.
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I've just spent an afternoon on Sunday with a friend who works in a mortuary based within the NHS and he explained to me how deaths are reported there with COVID. The figures are manipulated here and i'm pretty certain that they'll be in the States.

and for the second time yes i did.
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I'm questioning why the **** has another thread started immediately after the other one was closed because it had been done to death.

It is propaganda
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1. No it isn't it's scientific report. If you'll learn the difference then you'll learn understand why people are getting frustrated with you. and why it seems like you're an anti vax nut job
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
i actually did bear66 i'm worn out by it!!!

You're so wrong, but have a good day
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There is a very simple test that you can do. Check out their website. The URL is https://www.cdc.gov

Https - a secure website authenticated by a "trusted" third party

.gov - only U.S.-based government organizations and publicly controlled entities are eligible to obtain a .gov domain.

Mate, you're just plain wrong. It takes something to actually step back think about things and admit that you are mistaken so let's move on.
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I've just spent an afternoon on Sunday with a friend who works in a mortuary based within the NHS and he explained to me how deaths are reported there with COVID. The figures are manipulated here and i'm pretty certain that they'll be in the States.

and for the second time yes i did.
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Has anyone else got any stories of things that didn't happen over the bank holiday weekend?
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I've just spent an afternoon on Sunday with a friend who works in a mortuary based within the NHS and he explained to me how deaths are reported there with COVID. The figures are manipulated here and i'm pretty certain that they'll be in the States.

and for the second time yes i did.
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That is a field hospital in Central Park from April 2020, which the hospital where I worked had to put up because we ran out of ICU space. Propaganda?
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I've just spent an afternoon on Sunday with a friend who works in a mortuary based within the NHS and he explained to me how deaths are reported there with COVID. The figures are manipulated here and i'm pretty certain that they'll be in the States.

and for the second time yes i did.
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I agree. The number of covid deaths is greater than those reported by the NHS. Surely that should be enough for you to not belittle a vaccination process that is saving people's lives.
 
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