Vaping in the stadium

r00fie1 said:
And like everything - its connected with everything else in life and the world and everything.
Our fellow posters have mentioned cars. cigarettes, etc. Thank goodness we`re not like ,erm.....:unsure:
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Again, I do agree with the sentiment, some folks like to be grumpy, others not so much.
 
coluka said:
As already said, the issue is that it is not permitted in the stadium, so therefore it should not happen, so anyone doing so breaches the terms of their SC contract. Personally if anyone is daft enough to abuse their bodies with any such product, well that is their lookout, but when it interferes with anothers personal space, then they fall into the selfish category, just like those who cause misery when drunk. The problem is the law deals with drunk nuisances, it doesn’t cover blowing your strawberry flavoured breath in my personal space, causing me or anyone else, nuisance, alarm or distress in the same way, but my distress may well be significant to my mental as well as physical health. Just stand outside the ground vaping and be good boys and girls, it is a fair compromise as I see it.

As for the unknown long term effects, well they are that, simply unknown. I can imagine a time will come where it will be subject to excise duty, and I’d support that given we do not know what harm these chemicals ingested will cause down the line. It could help fund the NHS in some small way now, just in case. I mean do we know every vape is what it says it is anyway? Do we know whether there is a market for cheap home concocted chemically produced stuff that criminals can make a fast buck on while slowly harming the population, and how rigorously the vape markets are actually monitored for quality?
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Almost certain in 20 years the long term impacts of vaping will be awful. But surely it’s common sense not to fill your lungs full of chemicals every day and expect nothing bad to happen, especially when it’s all so untested
 
It’s a little off topic to the issue of whether you should vape in the ground (no, because the club chooses to ban it, and that ban should be enforced) but the NHS has three issues with vaping and they pull in completely different directions.

1. It is by a distance the most effective NRT in its armoury for getting smokers off the tabs and is strongly advocated as such by their smoking cessation services because of the massive public health benefits in that category of user.

2. It is undesirable per se for new starters, especially the young, as it is not without identified risks (though we have a good idea what they are - this idea that you can’t model the long term except in the long term is as simplistic when anti-vapers say it as it was when anti-vaxers kept saying it).

3. It is catastrophic in public health terms if it serves as a gateway to the tabs in new starters. Fortunately, it doesn’t appear to be doing so. The vaping generation has many fewer smokers than you’d have expected even on the existing downward trend.

Makes it quite a balancing act for healthcare policy though. And one that needs to be evidence based and not based on a gut feel that it must be bad because it looks like smoking.
 
JM14 said:
Almost certain in 20 years the long term impacts of vaping will be awful. But surely it’s common sense not to fill your lungs full of chemicals every day and expect nothing bad to happen, especially when it’s all so untested
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The vast majority of vapers switched from smoking, something the nhs recommended to the government some time ago.

It's a matter of degree of damage.

Filling your stomach up with poison on a regular basis also leads to health issues. Seems drinkers ain't part of your agenda
 
I was Sick of coming home smelling like an ashtray before the smoking ban. Anything I was wearing went straight into the washing. Now the same thing is happening with vapes. I really wish the vapers had more respect for others. I wish I could charge them for the washing they create.
 
Laughing said:
The vast majority of vapers switched from smoking, something the nhs recommended to the government some time ago.

It's a matter of degree of damage.

Filling your stomach up with poison on a regular basis also leads to health issues. Seems drinkers ain't part of your agenda
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What agenda? It’s a thread about vaping, not drinking

Yes it’s better than smoking but both are still very bad for anyones health, that’s the individual choice but no one else should have to breath it
 
JM14 said:
What agenda? It’s a thread about vaping, not drinking

Yes it’s better than smoking but both are still very bad for anyones health, that’s the individual choice but no one else should have to breath it
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Nor should people have to put up with drunks, people who swear, bad drivers, argumentative folks.

Or you could just live and let live, of course.
 
My 21 year old nephew who is to put it lightly abit of a t.i.t, casually started vaping in my front room. I was livid, he really took offense to the "don't smoke that ***** in here".
I told him "if it's not wacky backy gtfo my house with those pu$$¥ sticks." He then put it away in shame. pr*ck.
 
JM14 said:
Why should we? It smells vile and will likely lead to lung conditions at some stage down the line. It won’t harm anyone to wait 45 minutes to vape I’m sure
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If you are talking specifically in the ground then they shouldn't because it's against the rules. More generally you should just mind your own business.
 
Laughing said:
The vast majority of vapers switched from smoking, something the nhs recommended to the government some time ago.

It's a matter of degree of damage.

Filling your stomach up with poison on a regular basis also leads to health issues. Seems drinkers ain't part of your agenda
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Yup, everyone who I know, from say 30+ who vapes regularly, either smoked or was a disco smoker. I don't know any vapers who never smoked and most I know are working their nicotine rate down, which is really easy to do, compared to quitting smoking anyway.

Of course, we don't know the exact long-term effects, but they can be fairly well calculated, especially now, as it's been out a long time now, or other versions of it. All the products used are extremely familiar, they've been used in food and microwave meals etc for around 50 years, some longer.

One thing about vaping, or nicotine, is that it's an appetite suppressant, to be honest it's the best diet tool I have, so maybe the negatives of vaping (if they do materialise) might be offset by people not being as overweight or whatever, which we know is disastrous for health. I tend to not drink as much when I'm vaping too, but I do vape more when I'm drinking, if outside anyway. On a night out it's probably no more than normal, with having to go outside etc.

Sure, kids are going to end up doing it too, but they will always end up doing something, but suppose the degree of that depends how they're brought up and influenced by where they live/ go to school etc. At least it's likely stopping them from taking up actual smoking, and they're now drinking less and doing less drugs (I think). I can't imagine many of the kids are using 100W vapes, at 18% strength, even as a vapor 50W and 3-6% needs practice, and when I've passed mine to people to try, they can't hack it. I bet the kids are only using the disposable 15-20W jobs, at 3%, which is next to nothing anyway.
 
Andy_W said:
A deterrent, it will cut down on 95% of the problems. To cut down on 100% they would need to pay them 2-3 as much and probably employ twice as many, they don't see it as worth it.
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There's also a police presence on the ground correct? Why aren't they doing anything about or are people to engrossed in the match in front of them to bother going to tell a copper?
 
Laughing said:
If you are talking specifically in the ground then they shouldn't because it's against the rules. More generally you should just mind your own business.
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Surely if you’re having to breath it in then it’s your business?
Some people seem to think they can just vape/smoke wherever they want for some reason when it’s so easy for them just to move away from people
 
Randy said:
There's also a police presence on the ground correct? Why aren't they doing anything about or are people to engrossed in the match in front of them to bother going to tell a copper?
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Noticed barely any police inside the ground recently. Guessing it’s far cheaper for the club to provide stewards
 
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