Vaping in the stadium

Andy_W said:
Yup, everyone who I know, from say 30+ who vapes regularly, either smoked or was a disco smoker. I don't know any vapers who never smoked and most I know are working their nicotine rate down, which is really easy to do, compared to quitting smoking anyway.

Of course, we don't know the exact long-term effects, but they can be fairly well calculated, especially now, as it's been out a long time now, or other versions of it. All the products used are extremely familiar, they've been used in food and microwave meals etc for around 50 years, some longer.

One thing about vaping, or nicotine, is that it's an appetite suppressant, to be honest it's the best diet tool I have, so maybe the negatives of vaping (if they do materialise) might be offset by people not being as overweight or whatever, which we know is disastrous for health. I tend to not drink as much when I'm vaping too, but I do vape more when I'm drinking, if outside anyway. On a night out it's probably no more than normal, with having to go outside etc.

Sure, kids are going to end up doing it too, but they will always end up doing something, but suppose the degree of that depends how they're brought up and influenced by where they live/ go to school etc. At least it's likely stopping them from taking up actual smoking, and they're now drinking less and doing less drugs (I think). I can't imagine many of the kids are using 100W vapes, at 18% strength, even as a vapor 50W and 3-6% needs practice, and when I've passed mine to people to try, they can't hack it. I bet the kids are only using the disposable 15-20W jobs, at 3%, which is next to nothing anyway.
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The disposable ones are aimed at kids. The look funky in bright colours and taste of toffee apple.

This is my main gripe with vaping, it's being promoted to the next generation. That ain't good, however you cut it.
 
Laughing said:
The disposable ones are aimed at kids. The look funky in bright colours and taste of toffee apple.

This is my main gripe with vaping, it's being promoted to the next generation. That ain't good, however you cut it.
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Not necessarily, most of the adults I know using them pick the fruity-flavoured ones, and the disposable ones are often colour matched to that, it's just general marketing to all. I don't know anyone using ones which taste like smoke, they're rancid and the menthol ones are awful too.

Of course that marketing will drag in others, it does with anything.
 
Randy said:
There's also a police presence on the ground correct? Why aren't they doing anything about or are people to engrossed in the match in front of them to bother going to tell a copper?
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The cops can't see everything, and their main aim there is safety/ security and the law, not minor policing of ground rules, think of it like a triage, they're there to stop violence, not arrest people for dropping a burger wrapper etc.

Also, the British way is to gripe about something, but not actually do anything about it. Most brits hate confrontation, and most won't want to risk "grassing up" someone, in case they get some sort of retaliation from the wrongdoer. There are some really bad people who go to football games, most would rather not have the risk of any sort of confrontation, for fear of getting a retaliation which is 10x worse than what they're griping about. It's sad that a lot of people live in fear of that sort of thing, but you never know what somebody else could or would do.

Like on here 99% of people will say it's not acceptable, even those who vape, like myself, but probably < 5% would actually go and say something to a steward or directly to the person.
 
Andy_W said:
Not necessarily, most of the adults I know using them pick the fruity-flavoured ones, and the disposable ones are often colour matched to that, it's just general marketing to all. I don't know anyone using ones which taste like smoke, they're rancid and the menthol ones are awful too.

Of course that marketing will drag in others, it does with anything.
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Sorry can't agree with this. They are aimed at kids Andy. Same with alchopops
 
Randy said:
I'm talking the way a battery is made. But that's for another day.
If something is banned in the stadium then it needs enforcing. That's a stewarding issue.
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You can repeat the right wing rhetoric, but hte fact is there are many independent studies that state that the lifetime cost on the environment and health of the public of an EV, is less than an ICE. Even more so if you have solar topping it up like me.
 
Laughing said:
I agree in principle but quite a lot of studies have been independent. They simply don't, on all known evidence, have anywhere near the danger to health as cigarettes.
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they don't but, that doesn't make them safe or passively safe.
 
BoroMart said:
You can repeat the right wing rhetoric, but hte fact is there are many independent studies that state that the lifetime cost on the environment and health of the public of an EV, is less than an ICE. Even more so if you have solar topping it up like me.
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How is been concerned for the way minerals are mined to make batteries right wing?

Not every topic of discussion on this forum has to be about left, right, upside down wings.
 
Randy said:
How is been concerned for the way minerals are mined to make batteries right wing?

Not every topic of discussion on this forum has to be about left, right, upside down wings.
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The rhetoric which you are repeating is right wing, if you believe that those spouting the nonsense about batteries are doing it altruistically then I have some magic beans for you. The uber rich with their shares in oil and gas don't want the status quo to change.
 
Drobbo1980 said:
Why do we allow people to vape in the stadium. Sat behind a group a every match whilst there have no consideration for others while they vape every 2 mins.

Should be banned as smoking is.

Why do the club allow it
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Our local vape shop was burgled .
Manager is fuming !
 
BoroMart said:
they don't but, that doesn't make them safe or passively safe.
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I can't find much of anything around passive vaping. It would be considered damaging to developing lungs but probably not as bad as having kids at a barbecue.

No real evidence. I would be very surprised if they cause damage. Most of the damage to the vaper comes from the heating of the oil.

There was some testing done on mice which could be described as passive but it was later debunked as poor methodology on the control group. 2019 as I recall.

There really isn't good evidence at the moment because we don't have a generation of vaper only. I would be surprised if popcorn lung isn't a problem with vaping but not from passive vaping.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
There are plenty of people who vape than have never regularly smoked. Most of the people I know who vape have never bought a pack of fags in their life.
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There is some conflicting evidence around this. One survey found that 0.3% of vapers have never smoked whilst another claims that 38% don't smoke. This second figure relates to currently smoke not never smoked. That same government report states that amongst younger people between 0.8 and 1.3% of young people who vape have never smoked. This is in the 16 to 19 year old.

Worryingly of you look at 11 to 18 year old those who have vaped but not smoked rises to 29%.

So you may well know people who vape but never smoked but figures show that this is a tiny number.
 
BoroMart said:
that's a huge concern
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It is Mart. The only thing I would say, and it is speculative, are they vaping when they would have smoked had vapes not been available? Maybe some, but not all. On a wider issue, where the hell are 11 year olds getting them from.
 
Laughing said:
It is Mart. The only thing I would say, and it is speculative, are they vaping when they would have smoked had vapes not been available? Maybe some, but not all. On a wider issue, where the hell are 11 year olds getting them from.
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The same way we got fags as a kid. Buy them off a mate.
I get 3500 puff ones in various flavours off of a lass at work who's cousin gets them from America. £10 each.
 
Laughing said:
The nicotene is potentially the least hamful ingrediant in the exhaled smoke though. I don't have any problem with people vaping.

Some of the rhetoric on this thread is ridiculous.
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I imagine they are people replying on here who have no issue with it but then are fighting the cause to keep their membership in club outraged!
 
Laughing said:
There has been some evidence of popcorn lung. No evidence of seconder inhalation causing problems.

The rhetoric didn't come from you, but it's in the thread.
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in fairness I'm sure the Pop corn issue was either addressed by outlawing that type of vape or it was debunked
 
Laughing said:
The vast majority of vapers switched from smoking, something the nhs recommended to the government some time ago.

It's a matter of degree of damage.

Filling your stomach up with poison on a regular basis also leads to health issues. Seems drinkers ain't part of your agenda
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theres lots of young ones who only ever started on vaping
 
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