Vaping is rank

Laughing said:
Not wishing to be rude but I am not reading your post. If you are still trying to say they aren't marketed at children, knock yourself out. I am not about to argue whilst you ignore direct evidence that they are.
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Same, it’s a total lack of objectivity to claim that they are not aimed at kids.

If these are promoted as a healthy alternative to cigarettes, then that’s your marketing right there. Smoking is not allowed to be in funky colours and big marketing campaigns and this alternative shouldn’t either.

It shouldn’t be marketed to people who are not already smokers either, which most of the 20-30 year olds were not until they started vaping.

This is just profiteering from addiction again. Like gambling is, but it also comes with unknown long term health risks. We’ve been there before and can’t allow the same thing to go unchecked.
 
They are an extremely efficient gateway to nicotine addiction, designed to appeal to the young. They may have a role in smoking cessation along the lines of methadone and heroin i.e. under medical supervision.
 
Laughing said:
Not wishing to be rude but I am not reading your post. If you are still trying to say they aren't marketed at children, knock yourself out. I am not about to argue whilst you ignore direct evidence that they are.
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Odd post, I kind of agreed with what you said, other than your hypothetical scenario/ straw man argument based on it. Just read it, it will take like 2 minutes, it explains a few things.

You maybe don't want to counter them, and claiming you never read it is easier?
 
BoroMart said:
Same, it’s a total lack of objectivity to claim that they are not aimed at kids.

If these are promoted as a healthy alternative to cigarettes, then that’s your marketing right there. Smoking is not allowed to be in funky colours and big marketing campaigns and this alternative shouldn’t either.

It shouldn’t be marketed to people who are not already smokers either, which most of the 20-30 year olds were not until they started vaping.

This is just profiteering from addiction again. Like gambling is, but it also comes with unknown long term health risks. We’ve been there before and can’t allow the same thing to go unchecked.
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It's not, the objectivity is that they're aimed at younger adults and casual vapers, which may also incidentally appeal to a small minority of kids. It's not like they have Teletubbies smoking them, or have Tony the Tiger on the box, they don't do that as thair main income source is adults. I don't disagree that the Chinese might have been paying adult influencers to use them on their channels, and that some of their "influencers" viewers might be kids, which is of course wrong.

But the point is they're nowhere near as damaging as smoking, and there is little proof they're damaging at all, so hence the comparison to smoking is largely irrelevant. The only similarity is nicotine, which is no more dangerous than caffeine and the fact it's breathed in.

The other issue is equivalence, why no uproar or calls for bans on junk food (causing obesity in 2/3rds of adults, and half the kids), alcohol etc. The reason there is no talk about that (and likely why nobody has responded) is because everyone is doing it (including myself), but that doesn't mean it's safe/ healthy. But as a user of both I see the vaping as a much lesser risk, and to be honest it helps me stop from snacking, which is largely why I'm not overweight.

Alchohol gets marketed to non-drinkers, kids get specifically marketed junk food from the age they can first understand what food is.

The long-term health risks of every substance in vapes is known, with reasonable certainty, as they've all had a thousand safe uses in consumption for 50 years. The products themselves have been in used in combination for like 20 years, with no real signs of issues from approved/ legal devices.

It's profiting from a product, which people find relaxing, appetite suppressing, and which comes with a low risk, and may even lessen the overall obeisity risk. How is that worse than profiting from junk food, alchohol, restaurants, pubs, energy drinks? They're all worse for health.

As an example, if you have 2 people taking up vapes at a 1 in 10 risk, then this is a far better alternative than one person taking up smoking at 5/10 risk (cigarettes are still on sale, and will be for a long while. People will always do something, and if you take all options away then they just go down the illegal route, likely using things which are far worse.
 
Andy_W said:
It's not, the objectivity is that they're aimed at younger adults and casual vapers, which may also incidentally appeal to a small minority of kids.
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Sure, it’s a complete ‘happy accident’ that huge numbers of kids are now addicted and they have guaranteed themselves a future market. No objectivity mate, it’s pointless going around in circles on this
 
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Andy_W said:
Vaping, or second hand vape isn't a similar risk to cigarettes though, it's effectively nicotine only, in much smaller doses which is much harder to absorb, especially second-hand. It's got none of the tar or other bad products, and the only other products in them are in the food that everyone eats.
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Don't give a frig. It's fcuking honking for me to have to breathe in gipping shyte that's just emerged/been coughed up out of someone else's lungs.
 
BoroMart said:
Sure, it’s a complete ‘happy accident’ that huge numbers of kids are now addicted and they have guaranteed themselves a future market. No objectivity mate, it’s pointless going around in circles on this
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Probably is a happy accident for them, they won't give a toss (although they might say otherwise), but that's the job of the government to enforce the law, and social media companies to not promote irresponsible product promotion. You can't really stop companies from using apparently safe products because of the colours they choose, if you're not also doing it to products which we know are effectively leading to obesity and alcoholism etc. Nobody seems all that keen on the latter, so you can't expect the former.
 
20 mins into the season and a city player is hit on the head with a vape pen thrown from the crowd, ban the f…n things from the stadium
 
There was a 10-12year old lad in front of us at Huddersfield - him and his Dad were vaping all match.

Dad's had an awful smell like childhood medicine - and sons smelt like Hubba Bubba from back in the day.

We have no idea on long term harm of inhaling random flavourings...

It was horrible.
 
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