Warnock out brigade - Sense of entitlement?

[viv_andersons_nana]

I would normally be quite vocal about giving managers as much time as possible but this time it’s as clear as day that they’re not playing for him or listening to instructions. They can’t be, because the difference between the team from the first half of last season and what we’ve been since January is night and day. It’s like Mogga’s tenure in that a poor second half/end to a season has gone into the following one.

Personally I hope he was so p*ssed off by how they played on Saturday that he has decided on a team, his first eleven, and will stick to it for a few games - starting tonight. I want him to choose a shape/team/pattern of play and nail it down. If he think he needs to leave “the foreign lads” on the bench then that’s fine by me if we’re back to being hard to beat and start picking up points. Those players will just have to work their way into the team.

It’s a big night tonight. The way he was talking yesterday and in the papers today it feels like he’s at a point where he’s going to do whatever he likes and not pander to players. I hope it works out and we win the game. But if it doesn’t work then it’s hard to see a way back for him, and I think he knows that as well going off the way he’s been over the past week or two. We really need a big improvement tonight.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

Any comparison with any other club is meaningless. Name me one other club operating with a manager who is retiring at the end of the season, I think you’ll struggle.

Once more, I reiterate, his results since January have been poor- all we are seeing is this continuing.

I am somewhat amazed he has any defenders left. Poor football, poor results, poor individual performances, poor fitness, poor will to win, poorly organised, is this what floats your boat.?

If so then I don’t feel you have the clubs interest at heart. Things not working so you want to continue? Astounding. Warnock is not as big or as important as the club- that’s the bottom line.

If that's aimed at me then you really need to walk away and calm down a bit.

I've never disagreed that results are poor, just saying we don't need to sack him now.

I've supported Boro for over 50 years, I've been through more bad than good and I'm still here so don't question whether I have the clubs interests at heart or not because I assure you I do!

 

[Nosmo-King]

So we put up with poor results and sit on our hands - not acceptable. I too have been a fan for as long as you - probably longer. So in all those times you see what can be corrected. Warnock is choosing the wrong path in my opinion

 

[Uwefuchs]

Personally I hope he was so p*ssed off by how they played on Saturday that he has decided on a team, his first eleven, and will stick to it for a few games - starting tonight. I want him to choose a shape/team/pattern of play and nail it down. If he think he needs to leave “the foreign lads” on the bench then that’s fine by me if we’re back to being hard to beat and start picking up points. Those players will just have to work their way into the team.

Agree with this, start by winning games however ugly it is. Find something that works and let's try and get some momentum.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

So we put up with poor results and sit on our hands - not acceptable. I too have been a fan for as long as you - probably longer. So in all those times you see what can be corrected. Warnock is choosing the wrong path in my opinion

In your opinion - I'm pretty sure, that like me, you haven't always been right in every opinion you've ever had and every decision you've made in life.

As I said I don't disagree results have been bad but (in my opinion) right now isn't the time to bin him.

We disagree, that's life.

 

[Duffman]

Completely agree. Too many fans with short termism who want to ditch the manager after a few bumps in the road, assuming that by changing him will result in miraculously better results.

In Warnock we trust..!

I think short termism is pushing it a bit. When did we last reach the play offs? We had to endure soporific football for years only to be followed by headless chicken football. Up to 2 games ago I was firmly on the give the bloke a chance side. Sadly it’s not just how poor and rudderless we are on the pitch that upsets me but Warnock’s pitiful blame culture and deflection of any issues falling on him. He is the boss. He picks the side. He prepares the side. He manages the action on the pitch on match day. He makes the changes. Then he says it’s everyone’s fault but his. Yes I think he should go but not because I feel entitled but because I really care about our football club which comes way before Warnock and his reputation. Hope we win tonight and the place is bouncing but it will take consistent half decent football where we have some idea of what he is trying to achieve before I change my mind.

 

[Borobarmy]

Completely agree. Too many fans with short termism who want to ditch the manager after a few bumps in the road, assuming that by changing him will result in miraculously better results.

In Warnock we trust..!

With respect ……..” a few bumps in the road “ I’d personally challenge that and say it’s more akin to a gravel track since January !

 

[bevoboro]

I would normally be quite vocal about giving managers as much time as possible but this time it’s as clear as day that they’re not playing for him or listening to instructions. They can’t be, because the difference between the team from the first half of last season and what we’ve been since January is night and day. It’s like Mogga’s tenure in that a poor second half/end to a season has gone into the following one.

Personally I hope he was so p*ssed off by how they played on Saturday that he has decided on a team, his first eleven, and will stick to it for a few games - starting tonight. I want him to choose a shape/team/pattern of play and nail it down. If he think he needs to leave “the foreign lads” on the bench then that’s fine by me if we’re back to being hard to beat and start picking up points. Those players will just have to work their way into the team.

It’s a big night tonight. The way he was talking yesterday and in the papers today it feels like he’s at a point where he’s going to do whatever he likes and not pander to players. I hope it works out and we win the game. But if it doesn’t work then it’s hard to see a way back for him, and I think he knows that as well going off the way he’s been over the past week or two. We really need a big improvement tonight.

Completely agree with this, not because I'm buying into Warnock's ability to turn this around, but because I think the only way we are going to become more solid and hard to break down is with a settled system and first XI.

 

[Muttley]

I am somewhat amazed he has any defenders left. Poor football, poor results, poor individual performances, poor fitness, poor will to win, poorly organised, is this what floats your boat.?

If so then I don’t feel you have the clubs interest at heart. Things not working so you want to continue? Astounding. Warnock is not as big or as important as the club- that’s the bottom line.

When you start to believe that other fans of long standing "don't have the clubs interest at heart" you should just fkk right off. Like others on here I've followed Boro for somewhere in the region of 50 years, through shidt and shidter and just because I don't agree that we should fire Warnock right now (a manager I never wanted) does not mean that I do not have the "clubs interest at heart", quite the opposite.

I think we are better served by sticking with Warnock until the end of the season (assuming we don't end up in the relegation dog fight)

As I said, and others have too, if we are still struggling at Christmas then I will be right there with you but nine games in is not the right time.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

30 days ago, we drew with Blackburn but I was very excited at what I saw. The contrast now is vast.

We've brought a couple in since then but admittedly lost a few as well.

Is it too far beyond the realms to think we can get to that level of performance as a starting point?

I enjoyed that game, two evenly matched sides going for it made for an entertaining if fairly low quality spectacle, despite Boro not having a striker in the pitch.

 

[Derby_Red]

11 wins in 33 is it? Not exactly a blip.

 

[Borobuddah]

A couple of points, can we afford (financially) to sack him and pay off his contract?

if we do, I assume our first choice replacement is not available yet, so that means a caretaker = even more disruption?

 

[Uwefuchs]

A couple of points, can we afford (financially) to sack him and pay off his contract?

if we do, I assume our first choice replacement is not available yet, so that means a caretaker = even more disruption?

Seems pointless sacking him to put a caretaker manager in charge.

If we continue losing and fall into the bottom 3 then that might be a different conversation but until then I think we should keep him until a replacement is found.

 

[Duffman]

A couple of points, can we afford (financially) to sack him and pay off his contract?

if we do, I assume our first choice replacement is not available yet, so that means a caretaker = even more disruption?

His ego is too big to look for a pay off - if asked he will fall on his sword and tell the world how gallant he was. Hopefully conversations with Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe have already started so transition, hopefully around the 9th October international break , will provide an opportunity to get the change done.

 

[Soutra]

Unless something changes Boro will be in a relegation fight. What may save the day is that Derby and Reading will have points deducted. If Boro can manage to be better than one other team they should be ok.

Given this is the situation, I can't see any reason to keep Warnock. Give a new guy the rest of the season to get things right next season.

 

[Muttley]

Give a new guy the rest of the season to get things right next season.

OK, what if we have a "next guy" already lined up but he is otherwise occupied until the end of the season?

Throw away money on a caretaker whilst still paying NW?

I don't know if we have a "next guy" but then you don't know if we haven't.

 

[Caesium137]

Nah, no entitlement from our fans, this on the other hand..........................

Meanwhile, the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust has requested a meeting with chairman Daniel Levy and his executive team to outline their 'short and long-term strategic vision'.

Spurs fans demand explanations​

Levy was voted onto the executive board of the influential European Clubs' Association earlier this month but he remains a divisive figure amongst the Spurs support.

"We have asked for a meeting with the club's executive board to discuss both the short and long-term strategic vision for the football club," said a THST statement.

"The club's board will be aware of the questions currently being asked by the Trust, by fans and by the media. This meeting is an opportunity for the decision makers to explain their plans to supporters.

"This explanation should include plans for this season and beyond, an explanation of how success will be measured and how the club's DNA will be regained."

 

[Nosmo-King]

When you start to believe that other fans of long standing "don't have the clubs interest at heart" you should just fkk right off. Like others on here I've followed Boro for somewhere in the region of 50 years, through shidt and shidter and just because I don't agree that we should fire Warnock right now (a manager I never wanted) does not mean that I do not have the "clubs interest at heart", quite the opposite.

I think we are better served by sticking with Warnock until the end of the season (assuming we don't end up in the relegation dog fight)

As I said, and others have too, if we are still struggling at Christmas then I will be right there with you but nine games in is not the right time.

So help me out, the club is and has been in decline since January - that’s important as the games this season continue to show a decline.

Currently, under Warnocks stewardship, we have a team that can’t create, a team that cannot score, a very poor dead ball delivery, a midfield that is easily dominated, a defence easily breached, a team lacking pace, - and you think it is in the best interests to continue with the status quo?

Everyone is welcome to their opinion however it is very hard to disagree with my analysis. Hence why it is in the best interests to change things now.

 

[Borobuddah]

In an ideal world I would call a stop to Warnock’s tenure if we don’t win again tonight as I think we are already facing the dogfight to stay up, on the other hand he has shown the ability to win such a fight. Due to the circumstances I mentioned, I think we may have to back the team under him and hope we turn things around, it is possible?

 

[TeaCider]

Unless something changes Boro will be in a relegation fight. What may save the day is that Derby and Reading will have points deducted. If Boro can manage to be better than one other team they should be ok.

Given this is the situation, I can't see any reason to keep Warnock. Give a new guy the rest of the season to get things right next season.

Reading are only getting a 6 point deduction with 3 suspended, if they win and we lose in this round of fixtures then they're above us even with it.

They wouldn't even be in the relegation zone with the deduction currently.