What needs to happen over the summer then?

Yeah - we need goals from the 3 behind the striker.

McGree was scoring at a good rate earlier in the season, Azaz has 10 in 42 games over the two teams, but I think if you are playing the formation we are you need 30-45 goals from those positions.
McGree had his best scoring rate but he’s a 5-10 scorer for a full season. Azaz, hard to say 8-12? Jones 4-6. Forss is a 10-18 scorer.

The pressure for these players to hit their top numbers is greater because Hackney and Howson would get 5 between them, our total defence would be about 4-6
 
————— Dieng——————-
Laird - RVDB - Clarke - Drameh
—— Hackney - Tiehi —————
Jones ——— Azaz ——-- Dolan
————— Latte Lath ————-

looks like HMS **** the league to me
 
What needs to be done won't be, especially with the drop in ST sales. We need to stop being happy with central midfielders who don't score. We need someone e who can tackle in midfield, full backs that stop crosses coming over. More speed on the floor and in the head.
 
————— Dieng——————-
Laird - RVDB - Clarke - Drameh
—— Hackney - Tiehi —————
Jones ——— Azaz ——-- Dolan
————— Latte Lath ————-

looks like HMS **** the league to me
Drameh is a right back scrug
 
Does anyone think we'd be threatening the top 2 if we'd kept Akpom?

Id agree we'd be better place for the playoffs themselves, but that's not worth much unless you win them.

I hope we just focus on building a team in the Summer. No "making a statement", "sending a message" or "creating a buzz" signings, or any of those distractions.
 
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Imagine if we had “gambled” on keeping Akpom one more season and getting promoted… then still ended up having all the injuries we’ve had this season.

No promotion and £10m down the drain. Not a risk we could take.
 
Need to start next season solid so get people fit and basically start with what we have now and add to it when new signings/loans players are ready/needed to be integrated

Get rid of Glover J Jones Dijksteel Barlaser

Not required Thomas Greenwood O’Brien

Send out on loan Silvera

Squad
Keepers Dieng Brynn Hemmings
RB Smith Ayling
CB Fry VDB Clarke Lenihan McNair
LB Engel Banguera
RM Forrs Jones
CM Howson Hackney A N Other A N Other
LM McGree A N Other
CF Coburn ELL A N Other A N Other

So 5 signings
2 CM one preferably ball winner
1 LM to compete with McGree
2 Forwards, 1 a 10 ,1 a striker.

Easy this management lark isn’t it
 
Does anyone think we'd be threatening the top 2 if we'd kept Akpom?

Id agree we'd be better place for the playoffs themselves, but that's not worth much unless you win them.

I hope we just focus on building a team in the Summer. No "making a statement", "sending a message" or "creating a buzz" signings, or any of those distractions.
I'd concur with this. Perhaps the autos could be thus "threatened" in a normal season. However THIS time out, it seems you may well need over 90 points just to make the top FOUR😯 (See my other thread about the battle at the top which went by the wayside🤣)

Not a sniff with that stat, though I'd agree definitely Top 6, Assuming of course that Chuba didn't spend 4 months on a treatment table like the majority of the others. 🙄
 
This won't be popular but id keep barlaser as cover.

Ayling looks good enough as 1 of two on the right. Possibly even the regular starter.

Engel is fine on the left, bangura, we don't know but I assume the coaches know if he is good enough to rotate with engel and possibly as a right winger on occasion. Looking forward to seeing more of him.

Cb's we got covered.


We need another cm who can rotate with Hackney and howson.

Azaz, Mcgree, Jones and forsse are all good enough. Probably need to look at options to strengthen the three behind the striker.

Not sure I would be comfortable with just lath and Coburn as strikers.

All this assumes no one leaves.
 
This won't be popular but id keep barlaser as cover.

Ayling looks good enough as 1 of two on the right. Possibly even the regular starter.

Engel is fine on the left, bangura, we don't know but I assume the coaches know if he is good enough to rotate with engel and possibly as a right winger on occasion. Looking forward to seeing more of him.

Cb's we got covered.


We need another cm who can rotate with Hackney and howson.

Azaz, Mcgree, Jones and forsse are all good enough. Probably need to look at options to strengthen the three behind the striker.

Not sure I would be comfortable with just lath and Coburn as strikers.

All this assumes no one leaves.
The reason we are going to miss out on the play offs is down to not replacing Rogers and Crooks goals -5 and assists - 11, with another player . Add 1 decent player who could have contributed 5 goals 11 assists and you are in the top 6. 16 goal contributions is a big loss.
E.g. Stansfield has scored 7 goals 1 assist since January , if we had asked Fulham to recall and sell him for £4m they would maybe done so. All if s and butts I know.

Looks like Dieng £5m+ and Glover £1m + and Jones may go , Brynn and Hemming to come back.
Rumours of Forss £4m and Mcgree £6m going joining Mcnair , Dijksteel £1m , and the 4 loans out. 11 out
RB - Kesler Hayden linked £2m
LB - Max Lowe on a free?
CM - Alan Browne free
CM - LW RW - Juninho Bacuna £4m
Left AM - Callum O'hare free ( competition high ) Harvey Knibbs £1m Illias Chair £4m
Right AM - Sorba Thomas £4m / Danny Armrstrong £1m / Finn Azeez free
AM - Tyrese Dolan free
CF - Sam Gallagher free
CF - Jay Stansfield - £6m
11 out 11 in,
That would do for me . No money spent .
IF Hackney goes for £20m there becomes other options to consider , but we could go with the above and see how it goes, and keep the money in the bank for January.
£16m spend , £16m in , and the Hackney money IF he goes .
Krejci LCH £5m , Saldanha £6m , Chytil £3m if Hackney goes .

--------------------------------Brynn
------Hayden --------VDB ----- --Clarke ---Lowe
---------------Hackney/ Bacuna------Browne
------Thomas ---------Dolan/ Bacuna---O'hare /Chair
-------------------------Lath / Stansfield

-------------------------------Hemming
-------Smith---------Fry----------Lenahan---Bangura
-----------------------Howson ----Barlaser
-------Jones -------------------Azaz -------Silvera
------------------------Gallagher / Coburn
 
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My guess.

NEW CONTRACTS
Carrick. Howson, Van Den Berg, Hackney, Smith, Ayling, Clarke, Jones, O’Brien.

GOING
Glover, Dijksteel, McNair, Thomas, (Engel or Bangura).

COMING
New left back, defensive midfielder, Chuba, left winger (if McGree goes) striker (if Forss goes).
 
I think the core squad is in an excellent place. Especially if we don’t lose any key players and tie up some of the contract situations.

Dieng Glover
Smith +1
RVDB Fry
Clarke Lenihan
Engel Bangura
Hackney Barlaser
Howson +1
Jones Forss
Azaz +1
McGree +1
ELL Coburn +1

A couple of shrewd free signings, a couple more young gambles and maybe 1-2 pushes from Gibson. For me personally, I’d love to see McNamara (Milwall free), Akpom (if the rumours about him wanting to come back to the uk are true), Dolan (Blackburn free) and a mobile destroyer type (the next Boateng 🙏🏼).
After this, focus on improving the squad and replacing outgoings. I’d be looking a Jake Cooper to replace Fry. Burrows/McCallum to replace Engel.

Let’s start next season with a couple of additions to the first team rather than a whole team that needs time to gel!
 
Dieng Brynn Glover
Smith Ayling
RVDB Cresswell Fry
Clarke Lenihan
Engel Bangura
Hackney Barlaser young backup CM
Howson Marquee signing CDM
Jones Forss
Azaz young backup
Marquee Signing LW, young LW
McGree Silvera
ELL Coburn young technical CF

Red = sold
Yellow = loan
Green = Signed

So in would be Ayling free transfer.
4 young cheapish backups / prem loanees
2 marquee signings where most of our budget will be spent.
 
If Carrick is keeping the same basic formation it feels like both a lot and not very much.
Not very much because this season we'll probably end up on around 70 points which is a good return given everything that has happened. A lot because, if our aim is promotion, we need a minimum of 80 points and, ideally, 85+. Our best since relegation is just 76 points under Pulis. Getting those extra 10-15 points is a much bigger step than it sounds.
It also depends on which of our key players insists on leaving in the summer. Ideally, McGree will sign a new contract and Forss an extension plus we'll hang on to Dieng, Rav and Hackney.

Fundamentally, we need two players who are at the level of a Gaston Ramirez, Ramsey, Archer. I doubt we can afford to buy them so we'll have to loan them. We also need two players who are absolutely top level Championship pros. Someone like Calum O'Hare would be great but I think we'll be out-competed for him.

Carrick plays with two #9s (one centre, one right) and two #10s (one left-centre, one right-centre) rather than out and out wingers. The full backs provide the crossing and width. For me, Jones isn't a great fit so needs to be an impact sub or retrain as a right back (except he can't cross to save his life.)

I can see Ayling and Smith seeing out the season on the basis we can get a development player and they can see out the season. We may also think that Engel and Bangura aren't great but providing they're the weakest link in the team, that's just about ok.

Greenwood, Silvera and Gilbert: I don't see any of these being good enough for 1st or 2nd choice for their positions. Admittedly, Gilbert hasn't had a chance. Barlaser hasn't really worked out so I can see him being sold. Depending on what happens with striker recruitment, Coburn may go out on loan.

Using square brackets for where we may need new players. [Major] means a major purchase or loan

GK: Dieng, [Glover], [___]
RB: Ayling, Smith, [development]
CB: RVDB, Fry, Lenihan, Clarke, [development]
LB: Engel, Bangura, [development]
CM: Hackney, Howson, [MAJOR], [O'Brien], [development]
RF: [Forss], Jones, [Finch]
#10: [MAJOR], Azaz, [____]
LF: [McGree], [____]
#9: Latte Lath, [____], [Coburn]

Depending on Forss and McGree, I think the absolutely key signings are a #10 and a replacement for Howson. Azaz generally played on the left for Plymouth and can play there for us. If we re-sign O'Brien he is also familiar with the LF role as well.

Because Forss can play wide or central, he's a good choice for a back-up striker and 1st choice for wide right. That will reduce the pace in the team so we would have to hope that Bangura comes good.

Howson could start off the season so we could go for a Premier league starlet to mentor for the first 1/2 of the season.

The best case scenario is that we're only looking for 1-2 players to come straight into the 1st 11 with the rest being able to start the season as back-ups and make the case for becoming a starter.

I could see us being back in for Ramsey if McGree goes and we feel that he could stay uninjured for a decent time. Seems unlikely though.

We need a #10 who can carry the ball and link play. Azaz is getting better but tends to get knocked off the ball too easily.

We also need to actually use the academy. This probably means Finch playing the wide right/centre role and getting a decent amount of game time.

On the Premier league starlet loan front I like the look of Harvey Vale. He seems to have had a good season for Bristol Rovers and might be ready for a season in the Championship. Chelsea may be up for selling him. He can play anywhere from left back to attacking midfield.

I know Dembele on loan at Blackpool is getting rave reviews but I think he'll be looking at a top tier league.

If Forss goes, I wonder if Anthony Musaba (Sheff Wed) might come into contention. Obviously there's the likes of Sorba Thomas but I think Willock seems the better fit.

Chem Campbell has had a couple of good loans. Another centre/left attacking midfielder. He may be ready for a breakout season at Championship level.

As a possible centre midfielder, I like the looks of Freddie Potts. I can see West Ham loaning him to the Championship next season and he seems like he could play the Howson role.
 
Interesting post. Much i don't agree with though particularly regarding Azaz and Jones. I'm not sold on O'Brien yet either and i don't think we'll be back in for Ramsey due to his injuries.
 
Interesting post. Much i don't agree with though particularly regarding Azaz and Jones. I'm not sold on O'Brien yet either and i don't think we'll be back in for Ramsey due to his injuries.
I reckon it depends on whether we're going all out for promotion next season or continuing to build with the aim for hitting the play-offs and seeing what happens from there.

If we're going all out for promotion then we need someone of the level of Ramirez or Akpom for the #10 role and I don't think Azaz is there yet. I think he would be a fine back-up and potentially be first choice for wide left attacker depending on McGree. If we're continuing to build then he's a decent bet to earn his place. Looking at our promotion season under AK we started with Fabbrini as our #10 and he was ok but we upgraded to Ramirez in the winter. I could see Azaz being next season's Fabbrini.

Jones, I really like but I don't think Carrick's system plays to his strengths. Wilder got the best out of him by converting him to a wing-back where he didn't have major role in goal scoring. Carrick's system generates a lot of chances for the wide right forward and you need someone there who will finish them. That's not Jones' strength.

O'Brien: agreed that he doesn't seem to be justifying a hefty price tag. Two years ago he was a standout for Huddersfield under Corberan. Assuming Forest stay up I can see them loaning him out again because I don't think anyone will pay what they want. I don't think he can play the Howson role. Again, ironically, he would have been perfect as the left-sided midfielder in a three under Wilder's system. I think he may be good as the more attacking centre midfielder or as the left-sided forwarded. To me, the nearest comparison is Tav. Similar engine, can carry the ball and can press well. A bit like Mowatt, we haven't seen the best of him this season but I think he may be 100% by the start of next season.

Ramsey: agreed probably not. However, Villa will need to do something with him and I could see us taking him on loan with some sort of injury caveat so that we can send him back in January if he can't stay fit.
 
Not very much because this season we'll probably end up on around 70 points which is a good return given everything that has happened. A lot because, if our aim is promotion, we need a minimum of 80 points and, ideally, 85+. Our best since relegation is just 76 points under Pulis. Getting those extra 10-15 points is a much bigger step than it sounds.
agree, it becomes incrementally harder to return more points. However I would mitigate that by the fact that we had a terrible start due to not having our squad assembeld and too many new players getting bedded in. We didn't have a CF or LB for the first 2 matches and give them a month to even get settled in a house, know their teams mates names, and understand the most basic of our tactics, then we are about 7 or 8 games in. If we resolve that and don't have such gapping holes in the squad we could earn another 7 or 8 points in those initial 8 games.


Next we have the injury issues. Our defensive experience was robbed from us, Smith and Lenihan out for the season almost straight away. Hopefully that will be resolved.

Next we didn't have a right back once Smith got injured, we played a 19 year old CB at RB, again, make sure we have that position sorted on day one and it can earn us some points.

Next is the CF conundrum, we had 2 strikers one played with a hernia until he couldn't play any more, the other took a couple of months to get going, then got injured. Get 3 strikers, two of them already know the tactics, and we can avoid playing wingers as strikers, and finish our opportunities, again, there are points to be gained doing this.

Due to injuries we have effectively been without Smith, Lenihan, Hackney, McGree, Coburn, Bangura and Forss for nearly all the season, 3/4 of it. Imagine if we had just signed those 7 players in the summer, we would be well excited. Well they're gonna be like new signings in August
 
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I reckon it depends on whether we're going all out for promotion next season or continuing to build with the aim for hitting the play-offs and seeing what happens from there.

If we're going all out for promotion then we need someone of the level of Ramirez or Akpom for the #10 role and I don't think Azaz is there yet. I think he would be a fine back-up and potentially be first choice for wide left attacker depending on McGree. If we're continuing to build then he's a decent bet to earn his place. Looking at our promotion season under AK we started with Fabbrini as our #10 and he was ok but we upgraded to Ramirez in the winter. I could see Azaz being next season's Fabbrini.

Jones, I really like but I don't think Carrick's system plays to his strengths. Wilder got the best out of him by converting him to a wing-back where he didn't have major role in goal scoring. Carrick's system generates a lot of chances for the wide right forward and you need someone there who will finish them. That's not Jones' strength.

O'Brien: agreed that he doesn't seem to be justifying a hefty price tag. Two years ago he was a standout for Huddersfield under Corberan. Assuming Forest stay up I can see them loaning him out again because I don't think anyone will pay what they want. I don't think he can play the Howson role. Again, ironically, he would have been perfect as the left-sided midfielder in a three under Wilder's system. I think he may be good as the more attacking centre midfielder or as the left-sided forwarded. To me, the nearest comparison is Tav. Similar engine, can carry the ball and can press well. A bit like Mowatt, we haven't seen the best of him this season but I think he may be 100% by the start of next season.

Ramsey: agreed probably not. However, Villa will need to do something with him and I could see us taking him on loan with some sort of injury caveat so that we can send him back in January if he can't stay fit.

I see what you're getting at regarding a top quality Ramirez/Akpom number 10 (hard to come by mind) but i think you're doing a disservice comparing him with Fabbrini, particularly given his stats. I personally think he'll fly in our first 11 with everyone fit.

We're in a good place with Forss and Jones. I think that's a really strong position for us. I wouldn't necessarily say that one starts over another. They both have traits that are useful against different set ups. I think much will depend on what we do at right back. Bring in a new attacking right back and that would probably favour Forss.

There's the continuity argument with O'brien but as you say Forest will ask too much for him when in reality he could well be out first choice reserve. I've seen enough for him to demand a starting postion, he's been very unlucky with that injury mind.

Actually isn't Ramsey at Burnley?
 
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