When will we stop asking people who are asymptomatic or have only mild symptoms to isolate?

Chris_Boro said:
Problem is to many "learning to live" with covid is simply ignoring it.

Something that *might* be possible if we had the health infrastructure in place to manage the numbers of seriously infected, but we just don't through a decade of cuts to the NHS.

Covid is only part of our problem, the other part is we have an incompetent government who are held to ransom by the ERG loons.
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I hope a cost benefit analysis will take place.

Balance the cost of the impact on the economy of restrictions , furlough schemes and hand outs along with the money being spent on testing and PPE.

It may eventually be seen as a good idea to further invest in the NHS.
 
GazC_MFC said:
We have 200 deaths a day and it doesn’t register with people.
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I don't think we've been running at 200 deaths a day [7 day average] at any point in the last six months. Yesterday's number was probably higher because the previous two days were so low. That said, with cases so high, and hospitalizations going up, I expect deaths will follow to some extent.

However, we run at 200 deaths a day in a bad flu season. No one really bats an eyelid.
I think there will definitely come a point where there is an acceptable background Covid death rate. Under 200 a day might even be it?
 
Mwelolo said:
Those who are vulnerable will need to be shielded to varying degrees.
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You mean by isolating them so that other people who can't be arsed can just get on with spreading the virus?

Nano said:
I guess the issue is that we will never have 0 deaths, like we don't with many other diseases like flu, so at some point we will have to accept it is a part of life and we can do everything we can to protect against it in the form of vaccinations but we no longer enforce isolation/quarantine/restrictions. That time will come, not sure we're at that point yet.

Also, at some point they will stop reporting deaths as died within 28 days of a positive covid test and start reporting it as died of covid because it is important to distinguish between whether it is killing people or not, especially if it is a less severe variant.
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Most other deadly diseases don't have an asymptomatic infectious phase lasting for a week before you know you have it (if you ever do at all).

Until we take Covid seriously we're just going to be stuck in this cycle of variants and waves unless we get really lucky with the mutations.

The 28 days thing is largely misunderstood - as is dying with/from. The one thing the pandemic has made clear is that the vast majority of the population don't know or care to know about the statistics aroud the things affecting their lives (although we got a good glimpse of that with Brexit).
 
Scrote said:
You mean by isolating them so that other people who can't be arsed can just get on with spreading the virus?


Most other deadly diseases don't have an asymptomatic infectious phase lasting for a week before you know you have it (if you ever do at all).

Until we take Covid seriously we're just going to be stuck in this cycle of variants and waves unless we get really lucky with the mutations.

The 28 days thing is largely misunderstood - as is dying with/from. The one thing the pandemic has made clear is that the vast majority of the population don't know or care to know about the statistics aroud the things affecting their lives (although we got a good glimpse of that with Brexit).
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You mean by isolating them so that other people who can't be arsed can just get on with spreading the virus?

Ultimately that will happen, it has to.
 
Mwelolo said:
You mean by isolating them so that other people who can't be arsed can just get on with spreading the virus?

Ultimately that will happen, it has to.
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No it doesn't. Look around the world - plenty of other governments have managed to contain the virus and not just have this defeatist attitude.

I spoke to mates in Thailand and Western Australia yesterday and they were amazed at our lack of leadership.
 
Mwelolo said:
The time will come when we step down the testing and just let it spread in the knowledge that only a small minority will suffer negative consequences.

The most physically vulnerable will need to be shielded but those stupid enough to decide not to be vaccinated will suffer their own consequences.

I have always supported restrictions to date but I feel we have to move on soon and future proof the NHS to cope better with peaks of demand.

We need to get on with things.
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I thought this was a football forum? Yawn.

Did you vote remain or Brexit Mweldo?
 
Mwelolo said:
The time will come when we step down the testing and just let it spread in the knowledge that only a small minority will suffer negative consequences.

The most physically vulnerable will need to be shielded but those stupid enough to decide not to be vaccinated will suffer their own consequences.

I have always supported restrictions to date but I feel we have to move on soon and future proof the NHS to cope better with peaks of demand.

We need to get on with things.
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Totally agree and don't think its long, the biggest reason people keep giving me for further restrictions is "isolation periods closing supply chains and putting pressure on major infrastructure and health services", wellnif thats the main reason for imposing more restrictions then stop asymptomatic isolation and testing then
 
I guess there’s a big opportunity cost at this point, I imagine the number of deaths will eventually slope off due to more heard immunity, how many deaths/issues are being caused indirectly due to isolating? Other treatments, mental health, undiagnosed illnesses, loss of earnings result in poorer quality of life, education disruption etc etc….as someone said above the death toll will never be 0, and with thanks to the vaccine deaths/hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were with record high cases currently.
I currently have Covid for the second time, had to isolate due to someone else in the summer too, that’s 30 days I’ve spent in isolation this year totalling nearly a month off work, and I haven’t had a sick day in my whole working career before this year…..I think the time is close where those showing symptoms don’t isolate just take somewhat extra precautions….that’s my two cents anyway there isn’t a right or wrong answer
 
Teesside96 said:
there isn’t a right or wrong answer
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There is clearly a right answer as demostrated by the many countries around the world that haven't got anywhere near our deaths per capita, never mind the absolute count.

What you and others mean is that we are where we are so we might as well do nothing to try and improve the situation - which is exactly what the government want.

It's the same argument they'll use when they sell off the NHS.

It's the same tactic they used for all the other privatisations - run it down and then tell us that the private sector could do it better.
 
NYboro said:
Why did you open a thread that clearly had nothing at all to do with football?
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No , I didn’t vote for Brexit and I have supported restrictions from the start of the pandemic but I now think we need to change our thinking.

Have you not seen non football related posts on this board before?

I’m surprised.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Don't you just hate ***** like this. Going in to prove some sort of point. Passing it on to everyone else. If you want to be macho have a fight in a pub carpark or something. You'd think covid would stop attitudes like this. It's just made them double down on stupid.
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Going to work with a cold, as most people do, is macho?

Hilarious.
 
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